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| 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 27/11/2011 at 13:31 #23763 | |
maxand
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7B17 enters at Hullavington at 05:52. Its timetable is as shown. The way to achieve this seems to be to allow 7B17 to bypass Bristol parkway, when it will stop automatically and change direction from Down to Up (still on the Down line). The problem is that I can't set a route between 589 and Stoke Gifford Down Sidings. I've tried setting routes between 589 and 211/311 (successful) and tried clicking the Shunter's Release button, but nothing works.  Would someone please help me with this one? Log in to reply |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 27/11/2011 at 13:41 #23766 | |
Steamer
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The Shunters release is a slot request- after a few minutes it should turn solid white and you will be able to set a route from 589 to the sidings. The way you've routed the train is correct, however I would recomend routing onto the Down Filton (towards Filton Jn. and Bristol), so less lines are blocked. Alternatively, hold it in the loops at Bristol Parkway until the release is given, then send it out to reverse.
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| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 27/11/2011 at 13:42 #23767 | |
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hotwellian
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Hi, you need to request a slot by clicking on the Shonters Release button. Best to do this in advance as it may take several minutes
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| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 28/11/2011 at 01:32 #23840 | |
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maxand
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Thanks both of you for your replies. Steamer suggested: Quote: Alternatively, hold it in the loops at Bristol Parkway until the release is given, then send it out to reverse.  The only loop which might allow reversing is DN GDS, as it has a WEST SPUR on which I was hoping to park 7B17. Unfortunately, as you see, I ran out of valid track and the train is not in a position to allow reversal. Is there some other method using the Bristol Parkway loops? 7B17 is 244m long. Unfortunately the length of WEST SPUR is not stated explicitly in the manual. Steamer also said: Quote: The way you've routed the train is correct, however I would recomend routing onto the Down Filton (towards Filton Jn. and Bristol), so less lines are blocked.I think this is what you mean:  Nice suggestion, however, since signal 589 (Bristol Parkway West (reverse)) happens to be on the Main Down line, routing onto either Main or Down Filton line would still block the Main Down line until the train can be shunted into Stoke Gifford. Both of you suggested clicking the Shunter's Release button and waiting several minutes for the button to stop flashing. I've been waiting 30 minutes now (sim time, thankfully) and it's still flashing. Isn't that a little long? :laugh: (Note, the SR button is not shown white (flashing) in either of the above pics) Last edited: 28/11/2011 at 01:39 by maxand Log in to reply |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 28/11/2011 at 02:00 #23842 | |
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UKTrainMan
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The slot can sometimes take time to release. I believe I've had to wait for nearly an hour to get it. Hold the train in the Down Goods or Down Rec until then, and hey presto when the slot is given you can route it out onto the main line and into Stoke Gifford. Tip for the future though, if you see a freight enter then check it's TT straight away - if it's Stoke Gifford or anywhere else that requires a slot then request it and by the time the train is there you'd probably have the slot. This is particularly good advice for Stapleford & Sandiacre (sp?) workstation on the Trent simulation and has proven useful if a freight enters on say the Trent workstation and the signaller there (in multiplayer) advises S&S signaller in advance so the slot can be requested, as by the time the train arrives there it is ready to go straight in or only has to wait for a few minutes more for the slot. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Last edited: 28/11/2011 at 02:01 by UKTrainMan Log in to reply The following user said thank you: maxand |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 28/11/2011 at 02:46 #23845 | |
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maxand
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Thanks UKTrainMan. Patience is definitely a virtue here! 
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| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 28/11/2011 at 03:15 #23846 | |
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maxand
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While looking up loop lengths in the Bristol manual, I noticed this: Quote: Bristol Parkway DGL 431m (609m foul of other line) (PF)Presumably DGL is Down Goods Line and DR is Down Receiving. But what does "foul of other line" mean here? and what does "PF" stand for? Log in to reply |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 28/11/2011 at 03:29 #23849 | |
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UKTrainMan
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" said:While looking up loop lengths in the Bristol manual, I noticed this:Yes, Yes, don't know, I think 'Permissive Freight' but not 100% sure. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Last edited: 28/11/2011 at 03:29 by UKTrainMan Log in to reply The following user said thank you: maxand |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 28/11/2011 at 07:38 #23862 | |
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alan_s
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" said:But what does "foul of other line" mean here?I'd guess it means its too long to fit entirely in the loop (fouling the points means the train is still over them so they can't be used). I'd assume it still manages to clear the mainline, so you can use it for a longer train if you haven't got another right behind that also wants to loop! Alan Log in to reply The following user said thank you: maxand |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 28/11/2011 at 08:52 #23869 | |
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mfcooper
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"foul" means to obstruct Each loop as a length of train that will fit between their own signals, and then there is a length that will clear the main line. The latter will foul the points that decide which of the DGL or DR you have chosen to go in to and you will be unable to get a train into the other loop. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: maxand |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 28/11/2011 at 17:22 #23919 | |
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Steamer
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" said:Thanks both of you for your replies.Appologies, I meant hold the train in either the DGL or Down REC until the slot clears, then send it to reverse on the main line. " said: Nice suggestion, however, since signal 589 (Bristol Parkway West (reverse)) happens to be on the Main Down line, routing onto either Main or Down Filton line would still block the Main Down line until the train can be shunted into Stoke Gifford.Yes, it still blocks the Down lines, but shunting to the Down Filton won't block the Up Filton (the line from Bristol T.M.). "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 28/11/2011 at 17:58 #23922 | |
DriverCurran
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Maxand (PF) is permissive working for the following classes of train (1st character in the train identity) 4,6,7 and 8 Paul You have to get a red before you can get any other colour Log in to reply |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 29/11/2011 at 03:40 #23974 | |
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maxand
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Thanks Steamer and Paul. Well, I thought I'd take UKTrainMan's advice. As soon as the sim commenced at 5:30 AM on the dot (using the 5:30 start TT), I clicked the Shunter's Release button straight away without even waiting for the train to appear, maxed out the Time Throttle, and let 'er rip. Two hours later she was still ripping, and the SR light was still flickering epileptically. Two hours is long enough to wait for any shunter. Diesel fuel is running low and perishable goods are perishing. Is there any way to fix this problem (edit TT, screw around with the code) before I give this sim away for something better-behaved? :) Got a bad attack of the wymies (Why me?) today. Last edited: 29/11/2011 at 05:11 by maxand Log in to reply |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 29/11/2011 at 13:53 #24018 | |
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UKTrainMan
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I didn't advise you to request the slot straight away as soon as the simulation starts. I said... " said: Tip for the future though, if you see a freight enter then check it's TT straight away - if it's Stoke Gifford or anywhere else that requires a slot then request it and by the time the train is there you'd probably have the slot.which is specific advice for the Bristol simulation and mentioned " said: This is particularly good advice for Stapleford & Sandiacre (sp?) workstation on the Trent simulation and has proven useful if a freight enters on say the Trent workstation and the signaller there (in multiplayer) advises S&S signaller in advance so the slot can be requested, as by the time the train arrives there it is ready to go straight in or only has to wait for a few minutes more for the slot.in relation to the Trent simulation as an example of how long some slots can take to be given. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 29/11/2011 at 22:20 #24080 | |
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maxand
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Thanks. This might seem a dumb question, but does anyone know whether SimSig requires a train (bound for a particular slot) to have arrived in the area before the slot can be released? I agree that asking for a slot at the start of a sim is unprototypical, but I was getting desperate by then. :) (Added) just tried it again, making sure 7B17 had arrived in the area before gunning the sim. 5 hours later, still flashing at me with no shunter's permission (steady white light). So I assume it's more likely to be a minor bug and not due to my deft handling of the scenario. Not a real problem - I can put 7B17 into one of the Bristol Parkway sidings, then Remove it to simulate sending it into Stoke Gifford till a solution is found for this. Current version: 2.202. Last edited: 29/11/2011 at 23:04 by maxand Log in to reply |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 29/11/2011 at 23:19 #24093 | |
postal
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Maxand I haven't run Bristol for a while so I can't remember if the route will set without the slot being granted. If it will set, just run the train in regardless, suffer the indignant phone call and take the penalty on your points score. If it won't set, there is an alternative to your "Hand of God" solution. Swing the points manually then instruct the driver to PSAD. Same phone call and penalty but the train will then drop off the sim, just is if it had been signalled in after the slot had been granted. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 30/11/2011 at 00:18 #24095 | |
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UKTrainMan
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maxand, I dunno what you're doing wrong here but I just started the "Bristol 1985 v3.21 0530" timetable at 05:50 in 1980s mode, 7B17 entered from Hullavington at 05:52, I requested the slot immediately, ran the simulation at full speed, got the slot from Stoke Gifford, paused and the clock shows 05:54. Are you running it in 1980s mode? What scenario did you select? What is the exact name of the timetable you're running? (Open F4 Timetable, look at the top of the General tab, and please copy and paste the timetable name into your reply) Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Last edited: 30/11/2011 at 00:29 by UKTrainMan Log in to reply |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 30/11/2011 at 00:44 #24096 | |
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maxand
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Well, the problem seems to have fixed itself! Reran the sim (starting at 05:51, just before 7B17 makes its appearance) and Shunter's Permission was granted within 3-10 mins. As UKTrainMan put it, I dunno what I did wrong. When the problem first appeared I made doubly sure the scenario, options and TT all matched. Yes that was exactly the one I chose. I confirmed the problem by re-running the sim several times before posting earlier, so it seems unlikely I could have mismatched one or the other, though one never knows. Having confirmed that it works properly now, I exited and restarted the sim several times. In all cases permission to enter Stoke Gifford was granted within 10 mins. And yes, one can obtain permission without actually having to wait for 7B17 to appear in the area. 7B17, being a heavy freight train, does take a few minutes to get started once the route is set into Stoke Gifford. But it was my inability to set the route (requiring shunter's permission) that was the original problem. So I'm glad the problem's gone away, though the cause remains a mystery. Maybe if it happens again I'll try reinstalling the sim. Postal, thanks for your suggested solution too. Why didn't I think of that earlier? Thanks everyone who replied and tried to help me here. PSAD = Pass Signal And Destruct
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| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 30/11/2011 at 00:44 #24097 | |
jc92
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in fairness ive been on filton panel and had to wait what feels like ages for a slot
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| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 30/11/2011 at 11:45 #24111 | |
headshot119
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I seem to remember having issues with stoke Gifford when Alan and I had Bristol and swindled chained. But I can't remember how we fixed it. But your not the only one who experiences it.
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| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 18/12/2011 at 23:29 #25768 | |
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Aurora
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From what I recall, I don't think the shunter's release would be given if there's another train about to enter from Stoke Gifford into the sim so you have to bring that train in before the line is clear and then you can request the shunter's request which should be given a minute or two later. If you start the sim from 5.51 then it is likely there would not be a train waiting from Stoke Gifford to enter but starting from 5.30 there might be. You would have to check the timetable. Nil. Last edited: 18/12/2011 at 23:31 by Aurora Log in to reply |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 19/12/2011 at 15:18 #25808 | |
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Quizman
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" said:The slot can sometimes take time to release. I believe I've had to wait for nearly an hour to get it. Not wishing to teach Granny sucking eggs but the slot will not be given if Stoke has a train waiting to depart or about to depart. With the scenario mentioned earlier with the slot not being given and when replayed was given straight away perhaps this because a service was waiting to depart but was timetabled only, for example, 50% of the time therefore was there one day and not the next. Just a thought :unsure: Sorry should have looked at the last message before replying and repeating same....doh! :S Last edited: 19/12/2011 at 15:21 by Quizman Reason: Being a berk! Log in to reply |
| Re: 7B17 can't get into Stoke Gifford in Bristol 1985 17/02/2012 at 12:49 #29627 | |
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Controller#72
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As it was mentioned before, the length for the Parkway West Spur is not given in the manual, i shorted several times a train and a 90m train will fit for the length of the Bristol Parkway West Spur (in 1980s layout). 95m not.
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