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| Signal lever colours 13/02/2011 at 10:43 #2420 | |
Haraubrad
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Hi There, Can anyone tell me what a black band on a red lever signifies, I retired 9 years ago and I cannot remember ever coming across this. Aubrey Log in to reply |
| Signal lever colours 13/02/2011 at 10:43 #13623 | |
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Haraubrad
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Hi There, Can anyone tell me what a black band on a red lever signifies, I retired 9 years ago and I cannot remember ever coming across this. Aubrey Log in to reply |
| Signal lever colours 13/02/2011 at 12:40 #13624 | |
Simdmuk
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A black band on a red lever was usually for goods lines,half red half black, normally for relief lines,so as to differentiate from passenger lines.Red with a white band was normally for starter signals.
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| Signal lever colours 13/02/2011 at 13:09 #13625 | |
outofsection
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Just to add to that: the white band on a starter signal, IIRC, indicated to the bobby that he had to get Line Clear on his block instrument from the box in advance in order to pull it off (standard practice on A.B. anyway).
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| Signal lever colours 13/02/2011 at 15:34 #13626 | |
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Late Turn
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The white band indicates that it is electrically released by another 'box, or similar wording. Thus a 'free' (from line clear release) starter (such as the Down Goods Starter at Barnetby East) wouldn't have a white band; on the other hand, I've come across a couple of locations where the home signal is released by either line clear from box in advance or berth track occupied (to ensure that any train is brought under control at the home if the starter can't be cleared, as required by the signalling regs) - in at least one case, the home signal lever also carries a white band..
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| Signal lever colours 13/02/2011 at 16:24 #13628 | |
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Zoe
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outofsection said:Just to add to that: the white band on a starter signal, IIRC, indicated to the bobby that he had to get Line Clear on his block instrument from the box in advance in order to pull it off (standard practice on A.B. anyway). It wouldn't always be a starting signal, it could also be a home signal. Log in to reply |
| Signal lever colours 13/02/2011 at 17:19 #13630 | |
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Danny252
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Zoe said:outofsection said:The joys of the term "Section Signal"!Just to add to that: the white band on a starter signal, IIRC, indicated to the bobby that he had to get Line Clear on his block instrument from the box in advance in order to pull it off (standard practice on A.B. anyway). Log in to reply |
| Signal lever colours 13/02/2011 at 23:59 #13646 | |
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Simdmuk
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Danny252 said:Zoe said:I was being simplistic but yes to the previous relies.outofsection said:The joys of the term "Section Signal"!Just to add to that: the white band on a starter signal, IIRC, indicated to the bobby that he had to get Line Clear on his block instrument from the box in advance in order to pull it off (standard practice on A.B. anyway). Log in to reply |
| Signal lever colours 04/03/2011 at 17:14 #13872 | |
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nnr
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The best i've got at the moment is that it might be a "permissive" section signal, but my team of experts (!) are still looking in to it............. N. Log in to reply |
| Signal lever colours 04/03/2011 at 19:11 #13873 | |
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kbarber
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nnr said:The best i've got at the moment is that it might be a "permissive" section signal, but my team of experts (!) are still looking in to it............. I imagine this is going back to the original black band question? It would make sense as goods lines were often assumed to be permissive & signalled accordingly unless there was a reason not to (a tunnel, or sections so short that permissive working offered no advantage were two I came across, in fact at the same box). But I think the black band is non-standard (perhaps a (G)WR thing?) Log in to reply |
| Signal lever colours 05/03/2011 at 11:27 #13874 | |
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AndyG
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Any possibility that red+black band indicates a (shunt?) signal lever that also co-works a point, eg trap point or similar?
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| Signal lever colours 05/03/2011 at 15:06 #13875 | |
NCC1701
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Found this on the Gloucestershire & Warwickshire Railway, a "switch lever" (for switching out the box), red with three black bands. This is at Toddington. [img width=100px height=100px]http://www.broadwaysignalbox.org.uk/photos/toddingtonsbim/DSCF1388.JPG[/img] Toddington Signal Box More from Toddington Signalman Exeter West & Llangollen Log in to reply |
| Signal lever colours 06/03/2011 at 13:56 #13883 | |
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Danny252
1461 posts |
The same is at Hampton Loade on the SVR, and I believe it's standard. Oddly, the one at Arley is blue/brown (usually some sort of release for ground frames, etc.). Maybe to do with the fact that the siding at Arley can be used with the box switched out.
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| Signal lever colours 06/03/2011 at 17:34 #13885 | |
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Neil
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Some info here: http://www.signalbox.org/frames/nercolours.htm http://modratec.com/mud_lev01.php Regards, Neil Log in to reply |
| Signal lever colours 07/03/2011 at 10:00 #13901 | |
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pilotman
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Seems there is some variation in "switching out" levers. On the Southern this is known as a "King lever", brown and white stripes
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| Signal lever colours 07/03/2011 at 13:45 #13911 | |
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NCC1701
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Arley's switch lever is interesting. I wonder if it is blue / brown because lever 27, also blue / brown, allows three levers controlling points and shunting discs to be operated when the box is switched out. [img width=100px height=100px]http://tillyweb.biz/gallery/bb/bewdleynthfrm2.jpg[/img] Bewdley North, as seen in this picture, has main signals for the Back Road painted red & black and shunt signals painted red with black bands, presumably of the type the OP was asking about. SVR signal boxes Signalman Exeter West & Llangollen Log in to reply |
| Signal lever colours 07/03/2011 at 16:59 #13916 | |
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pilotman
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I found a picture (acknowledge Lee Stephens) http://www.flickr.com/photos/leestephens/5147826107/in/photostream/ Log in to reply |
| Signal lever colours 08/03/2011 at 14:28 #13936 | |
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nnr
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Team of experts now down to one, a certain Adrian Vaughan..............i'm sure he'll be able to find out. N. Log in to reply |
| Signal lever colours 15/03/2011 at 12:39 #14059 | |
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nnr
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Ok all, From the mouth of AV and the archivist at the SRS................... "Black bands, or more usually, half black/ half red levers are used to denote Relief lines" Now we've all learned something!! Neil Log in to reply |