Avoiding level crossing penalties

Unless there are other reasons (eg station stops) a good starting point is to make sure the train sees greens all the way. Try lowering barriers when the train has just the one green, you have a good chance of clearing the crossing in time for the train's next cautionary to step up to green before it reaches it (Edit: ARS usually aims to keep 2 greens).

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Unless there are other reasons (eg station stops) a good starting point is to make sure the train sees greens all the way. Try lowering barriers when the train has just the one green, you have a good chance of clearing the crossing in time for the train's next cautionary to step up to green before it reaches it (Edit: ARS usually aims to keep 2 greens).

A good suggestion, but does this depend on running SimSig with F3 > Display > Panel signals unchecked?

i run the sim a couple of times to "route learn" the signal aspects. now i always operate with panel signals checked as i find it easier, but i know when to drop the barriers for each crossing, as i know what each signal is actually showing

A good suggestion, but does this depend on running SimSig with F3 > Display > Panel signals unchecked?

Well....If the South Humberside area was ever converted to an IECC, a lot of it would be resignalled. As as I am not a signal engineer, it is difficult for me to work out the "what if" scenario. Where would all the signals and TCs breaks go? It would be speculation and not what SimSig is about. Instead, I compromised and went half way in that I removed all the box to box controls but simulate the signalling that is there as it was in '08, give or take.

I know there have been some issues with the auto-lower not working as it should but other than that I guess the question is, did we get it right or not?

I'd also have liked to removed "Clr" button

Removing the Crossing Clear button would have the effect of removing the requirement for a Signalman to visually check for himself that the crossing is clear, and is extremely dangerous.

I watch with interest the new scheme where some sort of radar does the job for him, but in the majority of cases the Signalman is responsible, whether the crossing is lowered automatically or not.

Also, and I've said this already recently, with scrolly you can open a second+ view and shrink it down to keep an eye on any crossings.

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Well....If the South Humberside area was ever converted to an IECC, a lot of it would be resignalled. As as I am not a signal engineer, it is difficult for me to work out the "what if" scenario. Where would all the signals and TCs breaks go? It would be speculation and not what SimSig is about. Instead, I compromised and went half way in that I removed all the box to box controls but simulate the signalling that is there as it was in '08, give or take.

Believe it or not must current schemes are re-control schemes rather than resignalling. Take Salisbury to Exeter as an example. Most signal positions are the same, track circuit breaks are the same and only the block sections are getting new axle counters since they were previously non track circuited.

Removing the Crossing Clear button would have the effect of removing the requirement for a Signalman to visually check for himself that the crossing is clear, and is extremely dangerous.

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Believe it or not must current schemes are re-control schemes rather than resignalling. Take Salisbury to Exeter as an example. Most signal positions are the same, track circuit breaks are the same and only the block sections are getting new axle counters since they were previously non track circuited.

Interesting. In SH's case there is non-TC'd track too which, for the sake of the sim, has to be TC'd. Some of it in relatively long stretches too. Do they simply use 3-aspects for the signals then?

You have to fiddle with the scroll bars a bit- and select "save on top" (or whatever the phrase is) before you fiddle otherwise it may recentre itself- that's been reported as a bug.

In the case of much of South Humberside, the only answer would be complete resignalling - as per your earlier post Chris, you'd need to relocate signals (and no doubt lose a few!) to provide the required braking distance, which of course isn't achieved between semaphore stop signals within station limits. The non-TC'd AB sections would have to be track-circuited (or axle counters) throughout, since the option of physically observing tail lamps would no longer exist!

It's the likes of Brocklesby and Pasture Street that could be recontrolled, since they're already multiple-aspect signalling on TCB lines (ok, Brocklesby is AB over the Up Main - only - from Barnetby, but that's about the only thing that'd need to change).

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In the case of much of South Humberside, the only answer would be complete resignalling - as per your earlier post Chris, you'd need to relocate signals (and no doubt lose a few!) to provide the required braking distance, which of course isn't achieved between semaphore stop signals within station limits. The non-TC'd AB sections would have to be track-circuited (or axle counters) throughout, since the option of physically observing tail lamps would no longer exist!

It's the likes of Brocklesby and Pasture Street that could be recontrolled, since they're already multiple-aspect signalling on TCB lines (ok, Brocklesby is AB over the Up Main - only - from Barnetby, but that's about the only thing that'd need to change).

Yep sorry, I wasn't familiar with the South Humberside area. LateTurn is correct, you can't re-control semaphores (well you could but you wouldn't!). If it's currently semaphore it would be completely resignalled.

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At Exeter Red Cow, dropping the barriers the minute before a train is due to TRTS works well for me.

From what I remember at Exeter they used to press the TRTS up to two minutes before the train was due to depart.

Surely that's one of the main purposes of TRTS - to avoid the need to drop the barriers (etc.) before you know that it's going to be ready to depart promptly? If you need to lower the barriers before TRTS, that suggests to me that TRTS isn't being given early enough - for example, so that you can determine whether you've got time to sneak a conflicting move across first.

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At Exeter Red Cow, dropping the barriers the minute before a train is due to TRTS works well for me.

From what I remember at Exeter they used to press the TRTS up to two minutes before the train was due to depart.

Surely that's one of the main purposes of TRTS - to avoid the need to drop the barriers (etc.) before you know that it's going to be ready to depart promptly? If you need to lower the barriers before TRTS, that suggests to me that TRTS isn't being given early enough - for example, so that you can determine whether you've got time to sneak a conflicting move across first.

Looks like they TRTS before the train is actually ready, or the signaller gives the route regardless anyway.
Last week at ESD P5, the barriers were down and a G shown while the doors were still open a full minute before due departure time.