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| train describers 01/06/2011 at 13:03 #3128 | |
jc92
3690 posts |
an idea for something novel here but potentially useful... in a similar vein to how approach berths and user id berths work. would it be possible to link two berths together so a player can describe trains forward in advance to another panel...giving them plenty of warning...the approach berths dont always give enough time, especially if several trains are all wating to run forward. the operator could describe the intended first train without having to use the messages bar. going a step further, this could be implemented at chain fringes eg weston - taunton to give better warning especially when trains are running late and better than that...it would be fun "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| train describers 01/06/2011 at 13:03 #16227 | |
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jc92
3690 posts |
an idea for something novel here but potentially useful... in a similar vein to how approach berths and user id berths work. would it be possible to link two berths together so a player can describe trains forward in advance to another panel...giving them plenty of warning...the approach berths dont always give enough time, especially if several trains are all wating to run forward. the operator could describe the intended first train without having to use the messages bar. going a step further, this could be implemented at chain fringes eg weston - taunton to give better warning especially when trains are running late and better than that...it would be fun "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| train describers 02/06/2011 at 02:07 #16251 | |
JamesN
1608 posts |
The example you cite (Weston / Taunton) it's possible already - Interpose a TD at Bridgewater and it will show in the Approach Berth on Exeter if the sims are chained. Just interpose forward like sometimes occurs on panel boundaries in MP games. However, signallers I've spoken to tend not to do this practice - especially across box fringes. It can lead to the person on the other panel thinking they're getting a train early and could potentially cause them to make an icorrect regulating decision. Indeed, ARS is driven by TDs - you could by this practice inadvertantly set routes on another boxes panel, well in advance of when it's needed. Log in to reply |
| train describers 02/06/2011 at 05:36 #16253 | |
Peter Bennet
5402 posts |
What you get should be what the real box has, if there is evidence that something's missing then it can be rectified. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| train describers 03/06/2011 at 14:11 #16283 | |
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kbarber
1743 posts |
Predescription is not unknown, but would only be provided where circumstances require. The 1949 Liverpool St - Shenfield resignalling had a lot of predescription, as distances between boxes were very short; Bow Jc - Stratford was just 1 mile 14 chains, for example, but from Bow Jc to Carpenters Rd Jc (controlled by Stratford) was just 61 chains (about 3/4 mile) - and the entrance to Thornton Fields Carriage Sidings (which was controlled by Bow Jc) was within that distance! In this system descriptions would transmit forward as trains passed a preset point, provided routes were set for them to pass through the control area & out towards the next box. As it was a relay-driven system (rather high-tech for its day) and as many layouts were rather complex (with multiple routes available after trains passed the predescribe point) I imagine the wiring design was, to say the least, interesting! I have a suspicion predescription exists around places like Upper Holloway - Junction Road - Carlton Road (West Hampstead), as there are closely spaced junctions and the last controlled signal of each box reads up to the first controlled signal of the box in advance. I suspect readers will have no difficulty working out other places it's likely to exist (including, perhaps, on some SimSig areas). I suspect predescription can be seen by signalmen because the description being sent forward appears in the "last sent" aperture when it operates, thus duplicating the description working its way along the panel. Again that was certainly the case between Liverpool St & Shenfield, with the added refinement that a white visual became illuminated next to the train description to confirm that it had been described forward. (But we're not talking 4-character "headcode" describers here.) Of course in mechanical days, signalmen would usually have just 2 blocks' warning of approaching trains, unless they went phoning for information (or where short-section working existed, as in the Silkstream - Finchley Rd stretch I've described here http://www.SimSig.co.uk/index.php?option=com_agora&task=topic&id=2825&Itemid=54 ). Log in to reply |
| train describers 25/06/2011 at 04:47 #16975 | |
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leigh
51 posts |
Having a approach berth, or even interposing a headcode on the fridge of the control area is not realistic, until one is available in the real life box. In those panels the signallers communicate by speech regarding train movements, and can be replicated either by skype/teamspeak/msn/etc, or via the message box. Log in to reply |