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Another Problem? 25/04/2012 at 13:52 #31803
Quizman
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276 posts 		Have perused the forum and the notes but can't find anything relevant so this may or may not have been mentioned already.
Grimsby Marsh Jn reversing signal is M34 however on the location codes it is MJ34. Consequently getting wrong route etc. etc.
Thought I'd just mention it but not serious as abandoning timetable will suffice for the time being.
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Steve
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Re: Another Problem? 25/04/2012 at 17:32 #31808
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456 posts 		The wrong routing and route checking has been sorted for the next release, but not the different signal number. I will add this to the list of bugs to look at.

Thanks.
God bless, Daniel Wilson
Last edited: 25/04/2012 at 17:42 by onlydjw
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Re: Another Problem? 25/04/2012 at 18:28 #31812
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989 posts 		The fact that the signal says M34 and the text in the TT editor isn't a major issue as both locations use a TILOC. As a result there should not be any need to abandon TT. I have just run a test from Grimsby Town to Marsh Jn sidings without any problems with it reversing there and no need to abandon the timetable.
Can youn give us some spefics of the train that needed it's TT abandoned and what routes you had set please.
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Re: Another Problem? 25/04/2012 at 21:33 #31817
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276 posts 		" said:
The fact that the signal says M34 and the text in the TT editor isn't a major issue as both locations use a TILOC. As a result there should not be any need to abandon TT. I have just run a test from Grimsby Town to Marsh Jn sidings without any problems with it reversing there and no need to abandon the timetable.
Can youn give us some spefics of the train that needed it's TT abandoned and what routes you had set please.
Yes, tell the service to ignore wrong routing it goes to correct position so no need to abandon timetable. Timetable in development but here is relevant service.
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Re: Another Problem? 25/04/2012 at 21:36 #31818
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771 posts 		I can confirm the name is wrong. However, this has no affect what so ever on the location function as the name is just that.....a name. That's what shows up in the TT list.

If you are getting incorrect routes then that is nothing to do with the incorrect name as the location checking for wrong routes is done using the locations internal ID, not the name.

Can you provide more details on exactly what you were trying? That may help diagnose the problem.
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Re: Another Problem? 26/04/2012 at 13:40 #31846
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276 posts 		" said:
I can confirm the name is wrong. However, this has no affect what so ever on the location function as the name is just that.....a name. That's what shows up in the TT list.

If you are getting incorrect routes then that is nothing to do with the incorrect name as the location checking for wrong routes is done using the locations internal ID, not the name.

Can you provide more details on exactly what you were trying? That may help diagnose the problem.
Timetable shown above - 1980's scenario.
Service 0J18 thows up 'incorrect route' at sig M2

However I have just noticed that on your signal number plans for the manual (1980) you have this signal designated as M4

Steve
Last edited: 26/04/2012 at 13:44 by Quizman
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Re: Another Problem? 26/04/2012 at 14:34 #31848
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456 posts 		The signal in question is numbered M2, as per the diagram http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/sbdiagrams/marsh_junction_q30.jpg

As you suggest, the sim has this correctly numbered, and thus that part is incorrect only on the signal numbers diagram (lever 4 is the starting signal at Great Coates station), lever 2 is the home signal at Marsh Jn itself.

Of note, M32 and M32A should be numbered M35 and M35A as well - both correct in the sim (I think in 2.218.76 as well).

The train not accepting any routes at signal M2 is still an issue currently. This is porbably because most of the time has been spent sorting out Modern Mode, for which information is much easier to obtain - to make 80's mode correct will require a number of modifications from that in the original release - mainly surrounding the de-rationalisation of certain parts of the sim. This issue is on the list of items to fix when 80's mode is looked at.
God bless, Daniel Wilson
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Re: Another Problem? 26/04/2012 at 16:15 #31855
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3984 posts 		Appologies for the errors in the Number Plans, those are my fault. I'll upload a corrected version soon (probably this weekend).
"Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q)
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Re: Another Problem? 26/04/2012 at 18:35 #31862
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989 posts 		" said:
" said:
I can confirm the name is wrong. However, this has no affect what so ever on the location function as the name is just that.....a name. That's what shows up in the TT list.

If you are getting incorrect routes then that is nothing to do with the incorrect name as the location checking for wrong routes is done using the locations internal ID, not the name.

Can you provide more details on exactly what you were trying? That may help diagnose the problem.
Timetable shown above - 1980's scenario.
Service 0J18 thows up 'incorrect route' at sig M2

However I have just noticed that on your signal number plans for the manual (1980) you have this signal designated as M4

Steve
Sorry, you miss understood me when I asked which timetable. I actually mean.. err.. which timetable, not which train. Default TT or other. Also, what was the routing you actually used, can you go through it step by step from the location prior to the issue. the more detailed info we get the more chance of recreating the fault and thus solving the problem.
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Re: Another Problem? 26/04/2012 at 19:36 #31864
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276 posts 		Timetable is a new one I've developed which I'm testing (1977 era) so you will not have the timings but I can send it to you if you really want though still work in progress. There are a number of work-arounds which I have included in the description which makes things work for release. I understand that you want to get the modern era re-released first so there's no problem. If you just want to re-enact the specific Marsh Jcn problem use the timings shown in the JPEG in my earlier post.
Steve
Last edited: 26/04/2012 at 19:37 by Quizman
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Re: Another Problem? 27/04/2012 at 18:33 #31894
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771 posts 		Steve,

The relevant locations errors have already been fixed. I did it last night I think. Its amazing what you get if you ask nicely....I just need to check in the changes and resolve the bug report.
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Re: Another Problem? 27/04/2012 at 20:12 #31896
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276 posts 		" said:
Steve,

The relevant locations errors have already been fixed. I did it last night I think. Its amazing what you get if you ask nicely....I just need to check in the changes and resolve the bug report.
Chris - top banana - have just completed first run through and need to make a few timing changes before uploading. Now considering linking it to a new Worksop ttable - am I mad or what :blink:
Last edited: 27/04/2012 at 20:13 by Quizman
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Re: Another Problem? 27/04/2012 at 20:31 #31898
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456 posts 		If that makes you mad, what do Chris and the rest of the team behind the scenes classify as?
God bless, Daniel Wilson
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Re: Another Problem? 27/04/2012 at 23:56 #31902
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276 posts 		Obsessed, Deranged, Just like the rest of us I suppose LOL :whistle:
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Re: Another Problem? 28/04/2012 at 03:05 #31904
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771 posts 		I think we are well beyond that......
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