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| Another train tracker site 12/05/2012 at 10:37 #32273 | |
Peter Bennet
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Just been directed to this site but have not made any compare and contrast with earlier examples. Whether better or worse of even a reincarnation of one of them I don't know. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Last edited: 12/05/2012 at 11:15 by Peter Bennet Log in to reply |
| Re: Another train tacker site 12/05/2012 at 10:56 #32274 | |
Stephen Fulcher
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Peter, the link does not work. Thanks -Fixed - Peter Last edited: 12/05/2012 at 11:14 by Peter Bennet Log in to reply |
| Re: Another train tacker site 12/05/2012 at 12:46 #32278 | |
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Stanyon
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this site has now also stopped showing freight/charters an explanation here: http://blog.opentraintimes.com/ Log in to reply |
| Re: Another train tacker site 12/05/2012 at 13:55 #32281 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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This is actually a rather mad situation! Did anyone from NR or the FOCs actually complain about the freight times being on there? The informations is obviously fairly easy to obtain as these two individuals have the capability to do it, so they cannot have that much of a problem with it. I actually work for the railway and I found these sites to be useful to plan when I would try and do a particular job on the track in a particular place, without having to harrass Signallers all the time as to where trains were. Log in to reply |
| Re: Another train tracker site 12/05/2012 at 14:31 #32282 | |
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TimTamToe
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" said:Just been directed to this site but have not made any compare and contrast with earlier examples. Whether better or worse of even a reincarnation of one of them I don't know.On this one you're able to show the whole day at a particular location on one page as an overview (rather than having to keep clicking later) and also able to filter the results by TOC Sort of on the same topic does anyone know if there is anywhere online to search timetables from previous year's WTT? Last edited: 12/05/2012 at 14:33 by TimTamToe Log in to reply |
| Re: Another train tracker site 12/05/2012 at 20:52 #32287 | |
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Nutter
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Wow. I never knew websites like these existed to thank you. Are the red trains the ones that are cancelled? Is there a key for those learning or anything? Many thanks Mark Log in to reply |
| Re: Another train tracker site 13/05/2012 at 09:33 #32294 | |
Steamer
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The red trains appear to be ones running to a VAR schedule instead of a WTT schedule. VAR schedules are temporary, but I don't know the exact definition.
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| Re: Another train tracker site 13/05/2012 at 12:05 #32301 | |
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hotwellian
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http://www.goingloco.org/forum/knowledge/kb_show.php?id=25 says: VAR = a WTT working running to a slightly different schedule I don't know if this is correct
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| Re: Another train tracker site 13/05/2012 at 14:25 #32312 | |
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Mooson
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That is correct. As when slightly amended due to engineering work or other reasons, but is still the same train.
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| Re: Another train tracker site 14/05/2012 at 18:24 #32333 | |
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GoodbyeMrFish
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STP's in the schedule are the tmporary ones, It stands for Short term planning. All of these pretty much run when they are added to timetables charters go down as an stp schedule, Test trains do too.
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| Re: Another train tracker site 14/05/2012 at 20:05 #32340 | |
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Zoe
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I have been looking at the Penzance webcam and have noticed that the platforms actually used seem to be different to the platforms listed on that site, for example the sleeper has been using platform 1 and not platform 4. If the information from the site is directly from the WTT then does the signalman have separate instructions regarding the platforms to be used?
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| Re: Another train tracker site 15/05/2012 at 10:19 #32344 | |
onlydjw
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I may be able to part answer your question using an example based on my home terretory (that being Lincoln). What happens locally is the master TT is written centrally, and then that comes to East Midlands Trains on a local level, and the platforming is adjusted to suit the operational requirements of the local diagramming (ie to saves train x having to shunt to another platform so train y can use the same platform requiring a driver who doesn't have a diagram to do the shunt). Therefore, for each timetable, EMT lcoally adjust the platforming, and then give it to Network Rail to run in the simulattor at Lincoln SCC to check for pathing conflicts etc. That then becomes the "booked platforms" used except for short notice alterations. As a further example to this, I have taken a list of trains booked at Lincoln between 1730 and 2000 on Saturday 5 May (same as any other Saturday): 2K60 17:50 ***** 1 Peterborough-LincolnHere is the list of what actually is booked after the local ammendments are made, with some notes to explain why. 2K60 17:50 ***** 4B Peterborough-Lincoln - attaches to 2L78 1934 to Nottingham 2P75 18:03 ***** 5 Scunthorpe-Lincoln 2K53 ***** 18:10 5B Lincoln-Sleaford - arriving service 2K47 1720 from Doncaster must not conflict with 2T51 1721 to Grimsby Town - signal overlaps mean they must use separate sides of the station 2L77 18:20 ***** 4 Leicester-Lincoln - allows 2T55 1835 Newark-Grimsby to use platform 3 due to 2K60 standing in 4B 2P78 ***** 18:24 5 Lincoln-Sheffield 2K62 18:25 ***** 2 Sleaford-Lincoln 2L76 ***** 18:34 4 Lincoln-Leicester- allows 2T55 1835 Newark-Grimsby to use platform 3 due to 2K60 standing in 4B 2T55 18:33 18:35 3 Newark Northgate-Grimsby Town - 2K60 standing in 4B 2P79 19:07 ***** 5 Scunthorpe-Lincoln 2T66 19:21 19:23 3 Grimsby Town-Newark Northgate- 2K60 standing in 4B 2L81 19:23 ***** 4 Leicester-Lincoln - 2K60 attaches - must use the same platform! 2K66 19:30 19:32 3 Sleaford-Doncaster- 2K60 standing in 4B 2L78 ***** 19:35 4 Lincoln-Nottingham - as above 2P82 ***** 19:43 5 Lincoln-Sheffield The problem comes when an STP working is timetabled by Network Rail (such as a charter) into a platform occupation which has been ammended. On the particular date in question, there was 1Z78 Skegness-Chester charter booked to call at Lincoln 1847-1850, and booked (supposedly) in platform 4. As you can see from the above example, the 153 off 2K60 is sat in platform 4. Therefore, a short notice alteration had to take place. Either 2K60 arrived into platforms 1 or 2 (bays), to leave 4 clear, or 1Z78 was re-platformed into 3 or 5. Nobody had realised before 2K60 arrived, and the driver went home, so it was in platform 4. It was left to me to point out that mating a 66 with a 153 could get rather interesting, and so the charter was re-platformed to 3, meaning all the passengers (some older folks) had to come back over the footbridge they had already crossed! Hopefully that helps explain your question, and gives a detailed example as well. God bless, Daniel Wilson Last edited: 15/05/2012 at 10:21 by onlydjw Log in to reply |