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Re: Hitchin Fly-over 12/05/2013 at 18:23 #44664
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Thanks for uploading those panel pics, Peter. Do you think you'll be adding any pics of Wimbledon ASC if you still have them?
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Re: Hitchin Fly-over 12/05/2013 at 18:24 #44665
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Are there any aerial maps showing the construction work underway? I could not find it on Google.

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There was a print taken from a remote controlled helicopter for sale on the day.

There was also a time-lapsed video of the construction (not aerial) at the November open day, that's probably somewhere on the web now I guess.

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Re: Hitchin Fly-over 12/05/2013 at 18:29 #44666
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Thanks for uploading those panel pics, Peter. Do you think you'll be adding any pics of Wimbledon ASC if you still have them?
I've never been to Wimbledon ASC. Also I've since realised there is a limit to the number I can upload, which I've more or less reached now. I might subscribe for a license.

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Re: Hitchin Fly-over 21/06/2013 at 17:31 #45867
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Apparently will be open to passenger trains on Monday.

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Hitchin Fly-over 21/06/2013 at 17:53 #45869
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Thanks for this, it's news to me!

No FCC driver signs it yet. Apparently driver managers are going to learn it and then conduct drivers over until everyone's been done (which may take a while as every depot will sign it).

Im on nights next week so i'll be very suprised if there's a manger waiting to conduct me over!

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Hitchin Fly-over 25/06/2013 at 15:21 #46034
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How many runs does it normally take before you can sign the route?

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Hitchin Fly-over 25/06/2013 at 15:30 #46036
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Thanks for this, it's news to me!

No FCC driver signs it yet. Apparently driver managers are going to learn it and then conduct drivers over until everyone's been done (which may take a while as every depot will sign it).

Im on nights next week so i'll be very suprised if there's a manger waiting to conduct me over!
Passenger trains used the flyover today, so presumably someone must sign it?

"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
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Hitchin Fly-over 25/06/2013 at 16:04 #46041
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Hitchin Fly-over 25/06/2013 at 20:06 #46055
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Some pics here from the first day of operation.
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Hitchin Fly-over 26/06/2013 at 11:54 #46066
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Some nice pics there John.

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Passenger trains used the flyover today, so presumably someone must sign it?

As I said, no DRIVER signs it yet. Some of our driver managers walked the route last week and they are conducting trains over (Hence why only 3 trains a day and all at reasonable hours!). This is in conjunction with a route brief.


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How many runs does it normally take before you can sign the route?

Im not sure how many we're being allowed, I would imagine its only 1 or 2 as it all seems fairly simple.


I also note that the 3 new 'preliminary route indicators' installed between Stevenage and Hitchin which give advance warning of the route, are all still bagged over and out of use.

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Hitchin Fly-over 26/06/2013 at 12:27 #46067
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I also note that the 3 new 'preliminary route indicators' installed between Stevenage and Hitchin which give advance warning of the route, are all still bagged over and out of use.
Noticed them on Monday, but was not sure what they were, is this a new thing?

Is the DM signal (can't recall the number) at Hitchin approach released for left divergance as I believe it is for the right? It's 70mph crossing I noted.

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Hitchin Fly-over 26/06/2013 at 14:15 #46068
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PRI's have been around for a number of years. We have some approaching Shortlands Jn on the up Chatham fast. They are fitted because signalling sequence in the same for trains going via the Ravensbourne Chord and trains via Beckenham Jn. Driver of trains conveying SB1C traffic (containers)need advance notice of the way the route is set in order to being their trains to a stand in time if the route is incorrectly set as trains conveying these sort of containers are not permitted through Penge Tunnel on the Up Chatham.

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Hitchin Fly-over 26/06/2013 at 15:12 #46070
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Is the DM signal (can't recall the number) at Hitchin approach released for left divergance as I believe it is for the right? It's 70mph crossing I noted
At the moment it is approach released (K699), the idea behind the preliminary route indicators (PRIs) is that once it's all up and running it won't be approach released. You'll get greens throughout with the PRIs giving you warning of which way you're going so you can brake the train accordingly. I also believe that this will be the case for diverging right (the 'old' way).

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Hitchin Fly-over 26/06/2013 at 17:06 #46072
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When everything is up and running, and if the fast Cambridge/King's Lynns use the flyover, I wonder if the routing will be Down Fast > Down Slow south of Hitchin, then through the platform line, or if they will crossover immediately north of the station. The former would give 70mph crossing but the latter much less (30mph?) The PRI's positions suggest it's more likely to be the latter option (there's one for both fast and slow roads north of the 70mph crossover.)
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Hitchin Fly-over 26/06/2013 at 17:33 #46073
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Found this signalling plan. It's dated 31st August 2011 so there may have been some changes.




[attachment=1779]BW01STSOUTH0140rssb.co.uk_20121106_1349461.pdf[/attachment]

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Hitchin Fly-over 26/06/2013 at 20:26 #46075
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When everything is up and running, and if the fast Cambridge/King's Lynns use the flyover, I wonder if the routing will be Down Fast > Down Slow south of Hitchin, then through the platform line, or if they will crossover immediately north of the station. The former would give 70mph crossing but the latter much less (30mph?) The PRI's positions suggest it's more likely to be the latter option (there's one for both fast and slow roads north of the 70mph crossover.)
North crossover was plated 70mpm last weekend and the bridge turnout is also plated 70, falling to 50 near the start of the bridge sections.

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At the moment it is approach released (K699), the idea behind the preliminary route indicators (PRIs) is that once it's all up and running it won't be approach released. You'll get greens throughout with the PRIs giving you warning of which way you're going so you can brake the train accordingly. I also believe that this will be the case for diverging right (the 'old' way).
The plans I have show the old down line downgraded to 50 from 80 between Cambridge Jn and the fly-over end (does it have a Junction name?).

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Hitchin Fly-over 26/06/2013 at 20:55 #46076
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The plans I have show the old down line downgraded to 50 from 80 between Cambridge Jn and the fly-over end (does it have a Junction name?).
Hitchin East Junction.

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Hitchin Fly-over 27/06/2013 at 01:31 #46078
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What I find 'strange' with the set up here is that there is in effect only PRI-A. The PRI's that i'm used to (Shortlands Junction on the Up Chatham Fast and Saltwood Junction on the Down Dover) both have PRI-A and PRI-B.

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Hitchin Fly-over 27/06/2013 at 07:57 #46079
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I see no way of being able to reverse into the down siding
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Hitchin Fly-over 27/06/2013 at 11:56 #46082
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North crossover was plated 70mpm last weekend and the bridge turnout is also plated 70, falling to 50 near the start of the bridge sections.



The plans I have show the old down line downgraded to 50 from 80 between Cambridge Jn and the fly-over end (does it have a Junction name?).

Peter
The north crossover has never "looked" worthy of 70mph, although they did replace it a year or 2 ago. It just appears to look a bit tighter than you'd expect for a high-speed crossover.

The old line was (frustratingly) downgraded to 50mph a few months back - around the time the pointwork was installed at "Hitchin East Junction." Highly un-imaginitive name in my opinion. It's closer to Letchworth than Hitchin for one thing.

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Hitchin Fly-over 27/06/2013 at 12:03 #46084
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The old line was (frustratingly) downgraded to 50mph a few months back - around the time the pointwork was installed at "Hitchin East Junction." Highly un-imaginitive name in my opinion. It's closer to Letchworth than Hitchin for one thing.
Noted this morning that the other end is Hitchin North Jn. Flyover and Stotfold Rd junctions might have been more imaginitive.

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Hitchin Fly-over 27/06/2013 at 13:34 #46085
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Interesting. I thought overlapping flashing sequences, with one signal showing both FY and FYY, were forbidden.
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Hitchin Fly-over 27/06/2013 at 14:01 #46090
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Interesting. I thought overlapping flashing sequences, with one signal showing both FY and FYY, were forbidden.
As far as i'm aware (which isn't that much) they still aren't. I don't see anywhere on here that shows an overlapping flashing sequence. Just a signal which can do a signal (679)which shows FY for diverging at the signal ahead route and steady YY with the signal ahead doing FY for diverging after two signals. As this is the same sequence as a driver would see in a system without the first flashing route existing if no route was set from the second junction signal until after they passed 679 and with the route then set from 699 to a divergence. AS such this seems like this system doesn't break the rules system, just stretches them too there limits.

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Hitchin Fly-over 27/06/2013 at 16:10 #46101
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Noted this morning that the other end is Hitchin North Jn. Flyover and Stotfold Rd junctions might have been more imaginitive.

Peter
Or Wilbury Hills Junction, or, at a push as it's close, Icknield Junction. Near to the loop and on the hills is a lavender farm - could lend a whole new name to the loop itself: The Lavender Loop? I'll stop there as that particular angle of the discussion could become ridiculous.

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Hitchin Fly-over 27/06/2013 at 16:50 #46104
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I see no way of being able to reverse into the down siding
I'd hazard a guess and say the diagram just shows how the signals are affected by the new layout. Since the GPL to reverse into the Down siding probably isn't affected, it's not been shown (I note there are no GPL's at all in fact shown on the diagram).

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