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| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 15/11/2013 at 10:46 #51569 | |
Zoe
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I don't know the exact details of these all these workings but if they are run by a passenger company they should not be anonymized. The 225 studios cab ride in a 319 from Honrsey to Cricklewood says that it is run by GBRf. " said: Class 3s not being passenger are also hardly "rare" - RHTTs, for example. Yes sorry, I was thinking more about when there could be a class 5 would run by non-passenger companies without thinking about all the uses for class 3. I believe there was and maybe still is a Colas Rail working using former Motorail vans which ran under class 5 when empty. " said: Do you mean the class, or the destination code? Only the latter is removed. Not the case in the schedule data, you don't get even the class in the signalling_id for non-passenger trains. It's only in the live train movement/train describer data that the real class is retained with and the other three characters anonymized. Last edited: 15/11/2013 at 14:25 by Zoe Log in to reply |
| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 15/11/2013 at 14:12 #51571 | |
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Danny252
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" said:Quote:Ah, I've never noticed that part, which explains my confusion!Do you mean the class, or the destination code? Only the latter is removed. Quote: The 225 studios cab ride in a 319 from Honrsey to Cricklewood says that it is run by GBRf.Interesting, although not hugely surprising - I guess the route wouldn't be covered by the route knowledge that FCC drivers have. Log in to reply |
| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 15/11/2013 at 14:31 #51572 | |
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Copping
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Quote:The 225 studios cab ride in a 319 from Honrsey to Cricklewood says that it is run by GBRf.Interesting, although not hugely surprising - I guess the route wouldn't be covered by the route knowledge that FCC drivers have.[/quote] Do they actually run. I thought they only got berthed at Victoria Sidings over night. Would be interesting to see one of Southern's 377/5's on the ECML. EDIT: Just read that only 1 move runs once a day using a 319. Last edited: 15/11/2013 at 14:36 by Copping Log in to reply |
| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 15/11/2013 at 14:42 #51573 | |
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Copping
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Quote:Quote:Its more reliable to train up GBRf drivers on the traction as they would normally do the route more often. Rather than FCC drivers running the route they they might only drive the route once every 12 months and would need the route knowledge to keep updated.The 225 studios cab ride in a 319 from Honrsey to Cricklewood says that it is run by GBRf.Interesting, although not hugely surprising - I guess the route wouldn't be covered by the route knowledge that FCC drivers have. Southern had something similar a few years back when EWS drivers where driving London Midland 350's on the Milton Keynes to East Croydon route. Theres a few companies that use other companies train crew to run their routes. Last edited: 15/11/2013 at 14:42 by Copping Log in to reply |
| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 15/11/2013 at 17:31 #51576 | |
Temple Meads
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Not all charter services have randomized headcodes, I'm not exactly sure of the criteria to show them, but I would assume it has something to do with what operator it is.
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| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 19/11/2013 at 11:03 #51732 | |
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Hooverman
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My understanding of it from my part of the industry that may be wrong or right. Is that certain freight trains carry some very hazardous material and that from a security point of view they have to remain hidden and there is no better way to hiding them than making all freight trains anonymised.
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| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 19/11/2013 at 13:07 #51735 | |
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John
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" said:... certain freight trains carry some very hazardous material and that from a security point of view they have to remain hidden.Hidden in plain sight on the Network Rail website. 
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| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 19/11/2013 at 16:02 #51742 | |
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mfcooper
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" said:Quote:This stock move happens almost daily Tues-Fri, and was mentioned elsewhere on the forum here and in the subsequent posts.Quote:Its more reliable to train up GBRf drivers on the traction as they would normally do the route more often. Rather than FCC drivers running the route they they might only drive the route once every 12 months and would need the route knowledge to keep updated.The 225 studios cab ride in a 319 from Honrsey to Cricklewood says that it is run by GBRf.Interesting, although not hugely surprising - I guess the route wouldn't be covered by the route knowledge that FCC drivers have. Last edited: 19/11/2013 at 16:02 by mfcooper Log in to reply |
| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 19/11/2013 at 20:51 #51754 | |
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Sacro
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" said:My understanding of it from my part of the industry that may be wrong or right. Is that certain freight trains carry some very hazardous material and that from a security point of view they have to remain hidden and there is no better way to hiding them than making all freight trains anonymised.Security through obscurity is not actually security. Obfuscating train identities doesn't really make much difference when you can see where a movement originates/terminates. Also all most of these identities are available in publicly available WTTs and from 'gen' groups. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Forest Pines |
| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 19/11/2013 at 23:26 #51761 | |
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John
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" said:The 225 studios cab ride in a 319 from Honrsey to Cricklewood says that it is run by GBRf.:cheer: I didn't know about this one. Thanks for alerting me to its existence. Purchased. Log in to reply |
| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 20/11/2013 at 00:00 #51763 | |
GeoffM
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" said:" said:I suspect it would be rather easy for website like OTT to have a facility to "correct" obfuscated TIDs into their real TIDs. Question then is whether anybody would (a) get upset; (b) have any legal right to get upset in such a way as to force the hiding of the not-very-cleverly-disguised.My understanding of it from my part of the industry that may be wrong or right. Is that certain freight trains carry some very hazardous material and that from a security point of view they have to remain hidden and there is no better way to hiding them than making all freight trains anonymised.Security through obscurity is not actually security. Obfuscating train identities doesn't really make much difference when you can see where a movement originates/terminates. Also all most of these identities are available in publicly available WTTs and from 'gen' groups. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 20/11/2013 at 08:20 #51766 | |
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Forest Pines
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I'm writing a timetable for South Humberside at the moment, largely based on data from realtraintimes. About 75% of freight identities are obvious because they match exactly with the current WTT on the Network Rail website. Another 10% are trains that have been retimed slightly but I've assumed probably kept their identities; the rest I've made up plausible IDs for their route. As an aside, to any realtraintimes people still reading this thread: when I save a page from your site then open it later, does that count as another hit for your ad revenue? I hope so -I'm still seeing the ad again after all! That is assuming you get paid for views and not just clicks I guess. Log in to reply |
| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 25/11/2014 at 15:34 #65785 | |
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paul87101
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Also found some excellent live signalling diagrams at http://www.hall-royd-junction.co.uk/Signal_Box_Watcher/index.html It covers Crewe - Carlisle and some areas of Liverpool and Manchester. Paul Log in to reply The following user said thank you: ozrail |
| Live Signaling Diagrams at railcam.org.uk 15/03/2015 at 08:48 #70034 | |
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uboat
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there is a slight change to the url. http://railcam.uk/site/ they dropped the org from the url. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: ozrail |