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Christmas Quiz 2013 04/12/2013 at 21:56 #52409
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11) It was a Container.
That may make it unique in the UK. Containers have been used in Europe for several years. I remember Salzburg No.8 being a double deck container in the late 1980's.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 04/12/2013 at 22:23 #52410
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4. Which Great Western Railway stations were never served by GWR trains?

Got to be something similar to Dartmouth like Rosslare, Guernsey and Jersey. Or even New York City.

11. What was unusual about Old Lea Station Signal Box?

Was it a portacabin?

13. What do the lines through London Blackfriars, Darwen and the Ladywell Loop have in common?

They involve a steep incline?
Copping,

11. No, it was a container (which may make it unusual) and it never opened which definitely does make it unusual.

13. No, Blackfriars is definitely level (on the Bridge over the Thames). The engineers line references consist of the same letter repeated (HHH,BBB & LLL).

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Christmas Quiz 2013 04/12/2013 at 22:36 #52412
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7. What is the longest route on linked Simsig simulations (at 01-Dec-13) that could be set simultaneously for a single train?

Ivybridge - Barnt Green? (195m 28ch)
And then forwards on Saltley to Elford Loop?
Postal,

Correct, but you can't get over 300 miles in England until Derby or Birmingham New street are released as you can't do a "U" turn on Saltley to head back south.

Peter.



It's too late to start digging out the relevant distances, but how about Dyce - Aberdeen - Dundee - Perth - Ladybank - Kirkcaldy or Dunfermline depending which adds more miles - Forth Bridge - Edinburgh Waverley - Edinburgh Suburban Lines - back over the Forth Bridge - Alloa - Stirling - Cumbernauld - Springburn - Greenhill - Stirling - Perth - Aberdeen - Dyce. There are various combinations and permutations within those locations but the overall mileage would be the same.
Postal,

You've got a large proportion of my route, but you can't use the Alloa line as Longannet isn't included in Edinburgh or cScot sims. Also Aberdeen-Dyce and Usan-Montrose are single track so can only be used once.

Peter.
Boxes might not be simulated but the connection is included at the correct length.

Peter

Peter,

Thanks for the clarification. My understanding is that you can't set the route between the Longannet home and starting signals so I'm taking that to mean the route isn't continuous for the purpose of this question. Hope you don't mind.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 04/12/2013 at 23:21 #52413
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Maybe:-
Dyce-Aberdeen-Dundee-Stirling-Greenhill Lower-Springburn-Cowlairs-Greenhill Upper-Polmont-Winchburb-The Bridge-Dunfermline-Thornton-The Bridge-Waverley-(via Millerhill if it counts as staying in sim)-Berwick on Tweed.
Andy,

A quick plot makes this 304 miles (excluding Millerhill). The longest one I've found using about 2/3 of the above route is 306 so I will have to get Quail out to check the official distances.

Peter.
Andy,

I've checked the routes on Quail and you win with 309m 61ch. My route was 309m 02ch. I've attached the calculation for anybody who is interested.

Peter.

[attachment=2066]SimsigLongestRoute.pdf[/attachment]

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Christmas Quiz 2013 05/12/2013 at 00:14 #52414
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Maybe:-
Dyce-Aberdeen-Dundee-Stirling-Greenhill Lower-Springburn-Cowlairs-Greenhill Upper-Polmont-Winchburb-The Bridge-Dunfermline-Thornton-The Bridge-Waverley-(via Millerhill if it counts as staying in sim)-Berwick on Tweed.
Andy,

A quick plot makes this 304 miles (excluding Millerhill). The longest one I've found using about 2/3 of the above route is 306 so I will have to get Quail out to check the official distances.

Peter.
Andy,

I've checked the routes on Quail and you win with 309m 61ch. My route was 309m 02ch. I've attached the calculation for anybody who is interested.

Peter.

[attachment=2066]SimsigLongestRoute.pdf[/attachment]
Disclaimer is that my maths (or Excel) could be wrong and my source documentation is Table A of the Sectional Appendix rather than the derived data in Quail but I beg to differ. Neither of the quoted routes include the extra mileage available along the single track section from Hilton Junction to Ladybank allowing a Dundee - Perth - Ladybank bonus mileage. My original Usan - Hilton Jn - Ladybank - Thornton Jns - Cowdenbeath - Inverkeithing - Waverley - Edinburgh Suburban Lines - Falkirk Grahamston - Cumbernauld - Cowlairs - Greenhill Jns - Perth - Aberdeen - Dyce won't work because there is a conflicting move at Greenhill but what about Usan - Hilton Jn - Ladybank - Thornton Jns - Cowdenbeath - Inverkeithing - Waverley - Edinburgh Suburban Lines - Haymarket W Jn - Falkirk High - Cowlairs - Springburn - Cumbernauld - Greenhill Lower Jn - Perth - Aberdeen - Dyce. I'd be surprised if that came out at less than 320m.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 06/12/2013 at 00:18 #52457
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7. What is the longest route on linked Simsig simulations (at 01-Dec-13) that could be set simultaneously for a single train?
I'll throw out:

Stenson Junction - Trent - Lenton Junction - Trowell Junction - Chesterfield - Sheffield - Kiveton Park - Worksop - Retford - Gainsborough Trent Junction - Brigg - Barnetby - Immingham - Stallingborough - Barnetby - Market Rasen

You could also come back south from Worksop, going back via Creswell, Mansfield, and Pinxton to reach the Erewash Valley line again and take the same route southbound, but once you reach Trent you need to continue south to Loughborough. The South Humberside route feels longer to me. (Looking at a real-world map the Exeter-Westbury-Bristol-Gloucester-Saltley chain looks better still, though.)

Is a Marylebone-NLL-KX-Cambridge-Peterborough chain possible? Then you could go from Banbury to Grantham via London, Royston, Cambridge, and Ely. That doesn't feel like a winner to me either.
Not winners I'm afraid.
Stenson Junc - Sheffield - Worksop - Immingham - Holton le Moor is 152 miles. (Holton le Moor is fringe on Market Rasen line)
Sternson Junc - Sheffield-Worksop-Loughborouh is 123 miles.

Marylebone only links with NLL going west so a through route to Kings Cross isn't possible. In a similar vein Sharnbrook - Bedford - Upper Holloway - Hertford North - Peterborough - Stoke Tunnel is 158 miles.

Interesting routes though!

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Christmas Quiz 2013 06/12/2013 at 04:39 #52459
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Might be worth marking which questions have been answered now? I've no idea what's left to do.
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Christmas Quiz 2013 06/12/2013 at 23:11 #52505
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Thanks to everybody who has taken part so far. This is the current state of play:-

1. Which national rail station has the highest scrabble score

2. Where are the following stations:-
a. Austin & Chicago
b. Admiralty & Olympic - Hong Kong
c. Somerset & Little India - Singapore
d. Black Lake & The Crescent - Midland Metro (Birmingham-Wolverhampton)

3. Which four letter word appears most often within national rail station names. - Park (77 times)


4. Which Great Western Railway stations were never served by GWR trains?

  1. Dartmouth (Ferry)

  2. ??



5. Which single line terminus used to have signals onto the signal line worked by two different signal boxes.

6. Which signal box which was located where a single track line went to double track could switch out? - Templecombe

7. What is the longest route on linked Simsig simulations (at 01-Dec-13) that could be set simultaneously for a single train? - 309m 61ch
Dyce-Aberdeen-Dundee-Stirling-Greenhill Lower-Springburn-Cowlairs-Greenhill Upper-Polmont-Winchburb-The Bridge-Dunfermline-Thornton-The Bridge-Waverley-Berwick on Tweed


8. What is the shortest distance on national rail that a train can run between two terminal/bay platforms - Stourbridge Junction - Stourbridge Town (62ch)

9. Where would you find a squirrel on a national rail station sign?

10. Which national rail station has a kangaroo on the station building?

11. What was unusual about Old Lea Station Signal Box? - It never signalled a train

12. Which two national rail stations have the closest platforms? - St Budeaux Victoria & Ferry Road (28m)

13. What do the lines through London Blackfriars, Darwen and the Ladywell Loop have in common? - The Engineers Line references consist of one letter repeated (HHH, BBB & LLL)

14. Which motor racing circuit has a level crossing on it? - The Isle of Mann TT course crosses the Snaefell Mountain Railway

15. Which country has the largest proportion of its railway lines under ground. - Monaco (100%)


Still quite a few questions to have a go at.

Peter.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 06/12/2013 at 23:43 #52506
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2. Where are the following stations:-
a. Austin & Chicago

Chicago Transit Authority: Blue Line from O'Hare to Forest Park.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 06/12/2013 at 23:50 #52507
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2. Where are the following stations:-
a. Austin & Chicago

Chicago Transit Authority: Blue Line from O'Hare to Forest Park.
Correct, well done Sloppyjag.


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Christmas Quiz 2013 07/12/2013 at 01:30 #52508
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5. Which single line terminus used to have signals onto the signal line worked by two different signal boxes.
Was it Newquay? I think it got rationalised down to a single platform before the box was abolished but I'm not certain.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 07/12/2013 at 19:52 #52520
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5. Which single line terminus used to have signals onto the signal line worked by two different signal boxes.
Was it Newquay? I think it got rationalised down to a single platform before the box was abolished but I'm not certain.
Geoff,

This isn't where I was thinking of. The line to Newquay was singled in 1964 when Tolcarn Junction closed, but the box stayed open until 1987. I can't find a reference to a closing switch at Newquay or a signal worked from another box.

Interestingly Newquay worked to three boxes while the line was single; St Columb Road (until 1965), St Dennis Junction (1964-1986) amnf Goonbarrow Junction (1986-1987).

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Christmas Quiz 2013 08/12/2013 at 01:16 #52528
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9. Where would you find a squirrel on a national rail station sign?

Maidenhead

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Christmas Quiz 2013 08/12/2013 at 09:59 #52531
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4.Which Great Western Railway stations were never served by GWR trains?

When I joined the Royal Navy in 1968, I was put on a train at Plymouth and taken to Devonport station.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 08/12/2013 at 14:51 #52542
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8. What is the shortest distance on national rail that a train can run between two terminal/bay platforms - Stourbridge Junction - Stourbridge Town (62ch)
As far as I can remember, the platform at Stourbridge Junction is a through platform with the other end as access to/from the shed. I wouldn't think of it as a bay platform.

NB: The shed where they store the Parry People Movers is where Quail maps show the (non-existence) buffer stops. See Google Maps Satellite Link (South-West edge of the station complex).

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Christmas Quiz 2013 08/12/2013 at 21:43 #52562
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9. Where would you find a squirrel on a national rail station sign?

Maidenhead
Correct.

This isn't the one I had in mind so this question is still open! Squirrels are getting everywhere.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 08/12/2013 at 21:51 #52564
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12. Which two national rail stations have the closest platforms?

As this question has already been answered, and so now just for interest’s sake (I know it’s not national rail and therefore doesn’t answer the question, but hey): would the nearest platforms between two consecutive stations on the same line be Canary Wharf and West India Quay on the DLR? I make it a shade over 62 metres between the platform ends… ;)
The closest I found on National rail was Smethwick Galton Bridge to the now closed Smethwick West - 188m between platform ends.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 08/12/2013 at 22:06 #52565
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8. What is the shortest distance on national rail that a train can run between two terminal/bay platforms - Stourbridge Junction - Stourbridge Town (62ch)
As far as I can remember, the platform at Stourbridge Junction is a through platform with the other end as access to/from the shed. I wouldn't think of it as a bay platform.

NB: The shed where they store the Parry People Movers is where Quail maps show the (non-existence) buffer stops. See Google Maps Satellite Link (South-West edge of the station complex).
Good point mfcooper. I'd forgotten they had squeezed a TMD on the end of the platform. I think that makes JamesN's London Cannon Street to London Blackfriars at 1mi 26ch the new correct answer.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 16/12/2013 at 22:13 #52823
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Thanks to everybody who has had a go so far. Here are a few clues on the remaining questions to distract you away from the mince pies (and the new Sims). Still two and two half questions to have go at.

1. Which national rail station has the highest scrabble score
This station has a 'Q' in its name

2. Where are the following stations:-
a. Austin & Chicago - Chicago
b. Admiralty & Olympic - Hong Kong
c. Somerset & Little India - Singapore
d. Black Lake & The Crescent - Midland Metro (Birmingham-Wolverhampton)

3. Which four letter word appears most often within national rail station names. - Park (77 times)

4. Which Great Western Railway stations were never served by GWR trains?

  1. Dartmouth (Ferry)

  2. ?? - The station was only served by LMS trains



5. Which single line terminus used to have signals onto the signal line worked by two different signal boxes.
This terminus is still open, but now has one platform and no signalling.

6. Which signal box which was located where a single track line went to double track could switch out? - Templecombe

7. What is the longest route on linked Simsig simulations (at 01-Dec-13) that could be set simultaneously for a single train? - 309m 61ch
Dyce-Aberdeen-Dundee-Stirling-Greenhill Lower-Springburn-Cowlairs-Greenhill Upper-Polmont-Winchburb-The Bridge-Dunfermline-Thornton-The Bridge-Waverley-Berwick on Tweed


8. What is the shortest distance on national rail that a train can run between two terminal/bay platforms - London Cannon Street to London Blackfriars (1mi 26ch) - corrected answer

9. Where would you find a squirrel on a national rail station sign?

  1. Maidenhead

  2. ?? - It is a red squirrel



10. Which national rail station has a kangaroo on the station building?
The station is on a road named after one of the founding fathers of Australia

11. What was unusual about Old Lea Station Signal Box? - It never signalled a train

12. Which two national rail stations have the closest platforms? - St Budeaux Victoria & Ferry Road (28m)

13. What do the lines through London Blackfriars, Darwen and the Ladywell Loop have in common? - The Engineers Line references consist of one letter repeated (HHH, BBB & LLL)

14. Which motor racing circuit has a level crossing on it? - The Isle of Mann TT course crosses the Snaefell Mountain Railway

15. Which country has the largest proportion of its railway lines under ground. - Monaco (100%)


"You are all doing very well"

Peter.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 16/12/2013 at 22:38 #52825
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9. Grange-over-sands?
When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A
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Christmas Quiz 2013 16/12/2013 at 22:42 #52826
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1. Which national rail station has the highest scrabble score
This station has a 'Q' in its name
I believe you mentioned previously this had more than 10 letters, which is more than a single scrabble move (7 letters). And the only one-word station name with a 'Q' in it that is longer than 10 letters is Queenborough. Unless you are thinking of 2 or more word station names.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 16/12/2013 at 22:46 #52827
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9. Grange-over-sands?
Not the station I was thinking off. Looking at google images all the station name signs are in the plain "First" style. They seem to have an art project on the line so there may well be a picture of a squirrel elsewhere on the station.

Peter.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 16/12/2013 at 22:58 #52828
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1. Which national rail station has the highest scrabble score
This station has a 'Q' in its name
I believe you mentioned previously this had more than 10 letters, which is more than a single scrabble move (7 letters). And the only one-word station name with a 'Q' in it that is longer than 10 letters is Queenborough. Unless you are thinking of 2 or more word station names.
mfcooper,

Thanks for having a go. I am including multiple words, typing the full station name into Ryan's Scrabble Score Generator.
For single word names Fazakerley (29) just beats Queenborough (27).

Peter.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 16/12/2013 at 23:07 #52829
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1. Which national rail station has the highest scrabble score
This station has a 'Q' in its name
I believe you mentioned previously this had more than 10 letters, which is more than a single scrabble move (7 letters). And the only one-word station name with a 'Q' in it that is longer than 10 letters is Queenborough. Unless you are thinking of 2 or more word station names.
mfcooper,

Thanks for having a go. I am including multiple words, typing the full station name into Ryan's Scrabble Score Generator.
For single word names Fazakerley (29) just beats Queenborough (27).

Peter.
Ahh. In that case I will guess “Queenstown Road Battersea”.

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Christmas Quiz 2013 16/12/2013 at 23:12 #52831
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Then I have to try Bradford Forster Square
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