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| Signals timing out when they should not ( think ) 27/05/2014 at 12:59 #60983 | |
slatteryc
254 posts |
Hi folks. On most sims as far as I can tell a signal with a route set from it should be able to be cancelled without timeout as long as there is no route set TO it ? It is only because I am having severe, recurring problems with this on Motherwell, I'm running the default timetable on full manual/TORR and having enormous fun. Don't seem to see it happen on other sims. Regards Chris. Log in to reply |
| Signals timing out when they should not ( think ) 27/05/2014 at 13:08 #60984 | |
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Danny252
1461 posts |
Depends on the location - with relay based interlockings, it's more expensive to have equipment determining whether or not the approach locking should be applied, and instead it was sometimes decided to go with the simple method of always having the signal time out. Simsig generally replicates these cases, with Motherwell and Saltley being two sims that have signals like this.
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| Signals timing out when they should not ( think ) 27/05/2014 at 13:09 #60985 | |
headshot119
4869 posts |
It depends whether the signal is fitted with none comprehensive approach locking or not. If it does not have this fitted the signal will time out regardless of whether a train is approaching or not. Motherwell is a mixture of both types. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Signals timing out when they should not ( think ) 27/05/2014 at 13:11 #60986 | |
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JamesN
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It's entirely location dependent - comprehensive approach locking, which is what you describe in your first post, was very expensive to provide in certain designs of relay interlocking. As such it was often not provided, or only on signals that would be cancelled on a frequent basis. I'm not totally familiar with the area, Scotland generally lying outside my area of interest, but presumably Motherwell is one such box where the cost outweighed the benefits of providing it, and thus signals time out even if no train is approaching.
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| Signals timing out when they should not ( think ) 27/05/2014 at 14:26 #60989 | |
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slatteryc
254 posts |
Thanks folks. I did read the manual and didn't see it. Is there a penalty to the scoring applied if you do this ?
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| Signals timing out when they should not ( think ) 27/05/2014 at 14:46 #60990 | |
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GW43125
495 posts |
Quote:Is there a penalty to the scoring applied if you do this ?Short Answer: No. Only if a train is approaching and receives an ACOA do you lose points. You will however receive a message telling you to wait for the approach locking to time out. DSW. Last edited: 27/05/2014 at 14:46 by GW43125 Log in to reply |
| Signals timing out when they should not ( think ) 29/05/2014 at 23:09 #61108 | |
GeoffM
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" said:It depends whether the signal is fitted with none [sic] comprehensive approach locking or not. If it does not have this fitted the signal will time out regardless of whether a train is approaching or not.It sounds like you've got that upside down but then I can't get my head around all those negatives :S . To avoid doubt: Comprehensive approach locking means the interlocking will look back for approaching trains and will time out if there is an approaching train or lack of detection within the defined look-back area. Lack of detection can include non-track circuited sidings/yards, for example. Non-comprehensive means the signal will time out regardless. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |