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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 28/05/2014 at 14:12 #61024
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1637 posts 		If I create a sticky note containing text in "default" colours (black text on yellow background), close it, open another sticky note which happens to use non-default colours (e.g., white text on red background) and click Reset, not only does the text vanish but the colour reverts to that of the previous note (black text on yellow background). If the previous note happened to have white text on a blue background, that is what clicking the Reset button does to the current note.

This strikes me as illogical. For a start, the term "Reset" is meaningless here as there is no default. Reset what? Text? Colours? The default colour of a note is black text on a yellow background, but as we just saw, clicking Reset doesn't always set it to that; the colours of the previous note are transferred.

To fix this problem we need to change two things:
1) Change the title of the button from Reset to Clear. This implies that clicking it will clear away all text.
2) When this (Clear) button is clicked, the text and background colours remain unchanged for that note.

As many will no doubt be quick to point out, one can bypass these problems associated with Reset by manually selecting and deleting all text (without needing to click Reset at all), but then why bother to have a Reset button at all? Of course, it might also be the developers' intention that Reset is behaving as designed, but having colours changing to that of the previous note selected is hardly intutitive.

Even though black text on a yellow background are the de facto default colours, there is no way to set any particular colour combination as the defect (which as stated above renders "Reset" meaningless). Therefore there should be an option in F3 to set default sticky note colours, for those users who might prefer some other combination.

IF we were able to set a default colour for sticky notes, THEN it would be reasonable to have a Reset button alongside the Clear button. Clicking Reset would change colours to that of the default AND optionally clear the note's text. Whatever action is taken needs to be documented; maybe offering the user a checkbox to include clearing the text at the time of reset would be a considerate solution.

Note also that clicking Reset does not position the text cursor at the top LH margin of the note, but one line down, as I mentioned in an earlier thread. This is a separate bug.
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 28/05/2014 at 16:50 #61028
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 28/05/2014 at 17:12 #61031
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916 posts 		" said:
This is the picture maxand playing SimSig conjures up in my mind

Perfect example of a picture saying a thousand words

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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 28/05/2014 at 17:57 #61032
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452 posts 		" said:
This is the picture maxand playing SimSig conjures up in my mind
If I'm honest, I think this is a bit inaccurate. They can't all be yellow, it would be more appropriate to surely have a range of colours (imagine if you will, an IECC desk)

But seriously, looking past the imperious tone, I got a bit lost in the first paragraph. To summarise, he reported that pressing 'reset' will revert that note's style colours to those of the last created note. So creating first a yellow note then a red one - pressing reset on the yellow note will turn it red.

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This strikes me as illogical.
I'm not that much a user of postits, and less so am I bothered about making them all the colours of the rainbow. But lets say hypothetically that I am and I want them all looking like Mr Blobby. So judging from the postit I've just created which is now pink and yellow, the sim assumes that I would like all my stickies to look like this. So it's completely logical (and helpful!) that 'reset' and any new stickies are turned into Noel Edmond's best friend, as it saves me having to change the style colours of 50+ stickies manually! Happy days.

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Reset what? Text? Colours?
Think that's pretty self-explanatory.

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Note also that clicking Reset does not position the text cursor at the top LH margin of the note, but one line down, as I mentioned in an earlier thread. This is a separate bug.
Forgive me for being too blunt, but who actually cares. Seriously.
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 28/05/2014 at 18:19 #61033
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3997 posts 		" said:

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This strikes me as illogical.

I'm not that much a user of postits, and less so am I bothered about making them all the colours of the rainbow. But lets say hypothetically that I am and I want them all looking like Mr Blobby. So judging from the postit I've just created which is now pink and yellow, the sim assumes that I would like all my stickies to look like this. So it's completely logical (and helpful!) that 'reset' and any new stickies are turned into Noel Edmond's best friend, as it saves me having to change the style colours of 50+ stickies manually!
To be honest, I think it's a bit bizarre that reset changes the colours to whatever the last one happened to be, and not to either a default or with no alteration to colour.

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Note also that clicking Reset does not position the text cursor at the top LH margin of the note, but one line down, as I mentioned in an earlier thread. This is a separate bug.
Out of interest, are you testing this on the Loader? Just tested and clicking reset makes the cursor vanish entirely.

As a side note, the responses above seem a bit harsh- judging the poster and not the post?
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 28/05/2014 at 18:54 #61035
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To be honest, I think it's a bit bizarre that reset changes the colours to whatever the last one happened to be, and not to either a default or with no alteration to colour.
I do agree with this, and forgot to mention it in my OP. That said, the code may be assuming the 'default' to be last style set, so in that sense is quite clever.
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 29/05/2014 at 12:45 #61051
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1637 posts 		belly buster wrote:
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This is the picture maxand playing SimSig conjures up in my mind

belly buster and pedroathome - If you've nothing more constructive to add to this discussion, I suggest you take your stickies and shove them where the sun don't shine.

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Out of interest, are you testing this on the Loader? Just tested and clicking reset makes the cursor vanish entirely.
No, I hadn't since my earlier thread on this (I should have), and I see this area has now received a "silent update". Clicking Reset as you say makes the text cursor vanish, the focus returning to the Reset button. This again is bad design, since the usual reason for resetting is to clear the text to enable the user to type something different. It now requires an extra click to return focus to the text field, something that should be automatic as it is in similar text fields in other applications.

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So it's completely logical (and helpful!) that 'reset' and any new stickies are turned into Noel Edmond's best friend, as it saves me having to change the style colours of 50+ stickies manually! Happy days.

I don't understand the reference to Noel Edmond (did you mean Noel Edmonds?) but anyway the present coding has the opposite effect to the one you claim, since it resets colours to the previous sticky, making it impossible to mass-change the colours of stickies before or after.

I suggested here and in a previous thread that Options should enable a default sticky colour combination, thus making Reset meaningful.

You also wrote:
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Forgive me for being too blunt, but who actually cares. Seriously.

Well you obviously don't, since you admitted "I'm not that much a user of postits", but some of us do appreciate being able to manage stickies colours a bit better than is currently available.

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That said, the code may be assuming the 'default' to be last style set, so in that sense is quite clever.

Clever doesn't imply intuitive nor user-friendly.
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 29/05/2014 at 13:51 #61059
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belly buster and pedroathome - If you've nothing more constructive to add to this discussion, I suggest you take your stickies and shove them where the sun don't shine.
Yet again I don't see the need for this tone to be used Max!
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 29/05/2014 at 14:23 #61065
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No, I hadn't since my earlier thread on this (I should have), and I see this area has now received a "silent update". Clicking Reset as you say makes the text cursor vanish, the focus returning to the Reset button. This again is bad design, since the usual reason for resetting is to clear the text to enable the user to type something different. It now requires an extra click to return focus to the text field, something that should be automatic as it is in similar text fields in other applications.
I agree it's a minor irritation which would be nice to see fixed, but you might find if you used the phrase "Could x do y?" instead of "x should do y" people will (a) actually consider your point and (b) be less inclined to shout you down.
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 29/05/2014 at 14:27 #61066
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belly buster and pedroathome - If you've nothing more constructive to add to this discussion, I suggest you take your stickies and shove them where the sun don't shine.
I don't think this was necessary.

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I don't understand the reference to Noel Edmond (did you mean Noel Edmonds?) but anyway the present coding has the opposite effect to the one you claim, since it resets colours to the previous sticky, making it impossible to mass-change the colours of stickies before or after.
Actually, I was testing this in the most recent loader version (Exeter in fact), but I see you weren't using the loader so you can probably discount this test.

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I suggested here and in a previous thread that Options should enable a default sticky colour combination, thus making Reset meaningful.
Possibly, but I think developers and Simsiggers alike here need to consider what is of priority.
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 29/05/2014 at 15:46 #61071
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771 posts 		If you have been testing on a .EXE sim then your testing is completely moot. The .EXE format is no longer supported and there will not be any further changes to the .EXE sims. They are what they are and will remain so. You will simply have to accept the .EXE's for what they are and deal with any idiosyncrasies, like it or not.

The functionality you are referring to is part of the core-code. In the .Exe sims, the core code was mixed with the actual sim data in the .Exe. However, new or updated sims now use the loader and this separates everything with the core code being in the loader itself and the sim data in the .sim file. You can thus test using any sim you like as they will all react the same in this regard BUT it must be a loader sim as the core-code in the loader is the only one that will continue to be maintained.
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 29/05/2014 at 17:46 #61080
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707 posts 		" said:
...but you might find if you used the phrase "Could x do y?" instead of "x should do y" people will (a) actually consider your point and (b) be less inclined to shout you down.
+1!
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 29/05/2014 at 22:21 #61103
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belly buster wrote:
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This is the picture maxand playing SimSig conjures up in my mind

belly buster and pedroathome - If you've nothing more constructive to add to this discussion, I suggest you take your stickies and shove them where the sun don't shine.

Steamer wrote:
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Out of interest, are you testing this on the Loader? Just tested and clicking reset makes the cursor vanish entirely.
No, I hadn't since my earlier thread on this (I should have), and I see this area has now received a "silent update". Clicking Reset as you say makes the text cursor vanish, the focus returning to the Reset button. This again is bad design, since the usual reason for resetting is to clear the text to enable the user to type something different. It now requires an extra click to return focus to the text field, something that should be automatic as it is in similar text fields in other applications.

peterb wrote:
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So it's completely logical (and helpful!) that 'reset' and any new stickies are turned into Noel Edmond's best friend, as it saves me having to change the style colours of 50+ stickies manually! Happy days.

I don't understand the reference to Noel Edmond (did you mean Noel Edmonds?) but anyway the present coding has the opposite effect to the one you claim, since it resets colours to the previous sticky, making it impossible to mass-change the colours of stickies before or after.

I suggested here and in a previous thread that Options should enable a default sticky colour combination, thus making Reset meaningful.

You also wrote:
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Forgive me for being too blunt, but who actually cares. Seriously.

Well you obviously don't, since you admitted "I'm not that much a user of postits", but some of us do appreciate being able to manage stickies colours a bit better than is currently available.

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That said, the code may be assuming the 'default' to be last style set, so in that sense is quite clever.

Clever doesn't imply intuitive nor user-friendly.
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 30/05/2014 at 13:17 #61133
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1637 posts 		Lardybiker wrote:
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If you have been testing on a .EXE sim then your testing is completely moot...
My original post is based on the latest loader version of the Exeter sim. I don't like silent updates either - developers should be willing to post a changelog (version history) for those of us who appreciate being kept informed.

steamer wrote:
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...but you might find if you used the phrase "Could x do y?" instead of "x should do y" people will (a) actually consider your point and (b) be less inclined to shout you down.
The original purpose of this thread was to report an issue, not make a feature request, which is why I chose this category. If I suggest a solution to an issue, that is not a feature request either.
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 30/05/2014 at 14:08 #61136
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steamer wrote:
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...but you might find if you used the phrase "Could x do y?" instead of "x should do y" people will (a) actually consider your point and (b) be less inclined to shout you down.
The original purpose of this thread was to report an issue, not make a feature request, which is why I chose this category. If I suggest a solution to an issue, that is not a feature request either.
Should implies an Instruction, or an implication of superior subject knowledge, Could implies a request.

I think steamer is getting at the wider point that your posts imply you know better than everyone else, and always know best and have the best solution.

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To fix this problem we need to change two things:
1) Change the title of the button from Reset to Clear. This implies that clicking it will clear away all text.
2) When this (Clear) button is clicked, the text and background colours remain unchanged for that note.
why do WE NEED to do this? surely:

To fix this problem would it be possible to/ I Propose that the developers Could change two things:
1) Change the title of the button from Reset to Clear. This implies that clicking it will clear away all text.
2) When this (Clear) button is clicked, the text and background colours remain unchanged for that note.
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 30/05/2014 at 14:14 #61137
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3997 posts 		" said:
The original purpose of this thread was to report an issue, not make a feature request, which is why I chose this category. If I suggest a solution to an issue, that is not a feature request either.
A solution is still a suggestion though- it's not the only one, and might not be the best one. Speaking generally, it may be that the developers have considered it and rejected it for a good reason, or the solution upsets something else. There may also be valid problems with that solution that you hadn't thought about.

There is also a difference between requesting a bug fix and demanding one.

Your last posts are a case in point:

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To fix this problem we need to change two things:
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I don't like silent updates either - developers should be willing to post a changelog (version history) for those of us who appreciate being kept informed.
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This again is bad design
Those, to me, read like orders- or demands. There's just no need for it. "Could a version history be kept by the developers?" "Could the developers list changes when a new version is released?" "Maybe this would be better" "A possible solution would be to" or something like that is much more polite. What currently happens is that people only see the demanding and imperious tone of your posts and don't consider the point you're trying to make- or are afraid of supporting it because they don't want to associate themselves with the tone of the suggestion.
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 30/05/2014 at 15:08 #61139
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Those, to me, read like orders- or demands.
Those to me are simply opinions. I've tried to reduce verbosity as much as possible, but will preface my comments with "these are only my opinions and suggestions" if you think this reads better.

I would have thought everyone can see these are simply opinions and suggestions. I'm not demanding anything. When I say "we need" to do something to fix something, that's what I consider needs to be done. It's not a demand. If someone else can think of a better solution, please post it without having to justify opening his mouth.
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Resetting sticky note should not change its colours 31/05/2014 at 10:19 #61167
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1764 posts 		Max, maybe this is a difference between English (geographical, I mean) and Australian usage. It's common here to be a little more circumspect than you often are and I suspect that may be why your posts come across as demanding or imperious, sometimes even aggressive. (You might even like to see me being 'English' in the way I'm putting this.) Prefacing a post with '...this is my opinion...' still won't alter the tone we (inevitably, in spite of our attempts to bracket our own experience) read in to the body of text that follows.

Is there an answer? My instinct is to suggest a move towards English usage - but I would say that, wouldn't I? The alternative is likely to be a buildup of hostility, which would be a great pity as much of what you offer is thought provoking even where we (for many different reasons) feel we can't agree.

I hope you'll forgive me for posting on the open forum rather than making this a private message - I hope one thing it might do is cool the thread a little, as well as offer some specific thoughts.
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