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| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 01:58 #67209 | |
flabberdacks
636 posts |
Hi all Are there any plans to update the old Euston layout to a Loader sim? There are a few bugs on the old sim which have been discussed in various threads, which I won't go into too much detail about here (shunt moves setting off the train running away alarm, following moves out of the up shed throwing 53 signal back in the first driver's face, etc). The thing I'd most ask for is to include an option to play with A buttons on signals in the Park Street Tunnels and Camden Junctions, simply to save my wrist and clicking finger from an early demise! If I had it my way, every signal on the fast and slow lines (both up and down) would have the A buttons on them to give the option of auto straight routes to and from Willesden, plus 148 on the new lines, 82 on UEL2 and 72 on the DD. Maybe excepting 146 and 149 on the up slow. IF I had it my way... Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 02:23 #67211 | |
Muzer
718 posts |
Pretty sure clive at one point confirmed he would indeed be continuing work on the old Euston sim, time permitting. Since I'm not him, I don't know what his priorities are of course, sim-wise, but it's not been abandoned! (I personally think that Euston could probably do with a refresh, but that there are sims that more pressingly need one than it, even though Euston is one of my personal favourites at least for free sims, perhaps even for all sims!) Last edited: 31/12/2014 at 02:26 by Muzer Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 04:41 #67221 | |
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flabberdacks
636 posts |
Ah, that is good news. I've sunk so many hours into the busy timetables. It's perfect when you want to be kept on your toes but aren't in the mood to keep an eye on half the universe like Kings Cross. Glad to hear it's not dead and buried! Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 07:05 #67226 | |
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clive
2789 posts |
" said:Hi allYes, but don't expect to see it this year. Quote: But that's the whole point of the sim! Find out why it took two people to run such a short bit of track. Don't expect it. Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 09:36 #67232 | |
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kbarber
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" said:" said:Hi allYes, but don't expect to see it this year. Indeed. Not only were there two panel positions, but after a number of nervous breakdowns in the early days (tales of signalmen waking in the night working Euston panel on their bedroom wall) the box was rostered for three signalmen on earlies and lates. The Station End man would be relieved after 4 hours by the Camden End man, who would in turn be relieved by the spare man. It didn't help that the EP point machines were pretty much instantaneous in operation; I fancy Clive has reduced the operation time of the points in the sim, but they're still remarkably slow compared with the real thing (you'd be (un)lucky if the OOC flashed twice as the route called). It also didn't help that there was no comprehensive approach locking (unlike the SSI-like operation simulated); once a signal cleared you had a 2-minute timeout no matter what, which could cause massive problems in the peak. The combination of those two features ensured it was a high-stress job. To put it mildly. Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 09:42 #67233 | |
lazzer
636 posts |
" said:Yes, but don't expect to see it this year. So it'll be ready tomorrow then? :lol: Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 10:04 #67235 | |
pedroathome
916 posts |
" said:" said:All that appears to have been eliminated here is that it won't be today" said:But tomorrow never comes! :cheer:Yes, but don't expect to see it this year. Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 10:08 #67236 | |
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AndyG
1842 posts |
" said:" said:Bit like my signature then?" said:All that appears to have been eliminated here is that it won't be today" said:But tomorrow never comes! :cheer:Yes, but don't expect to see it this year. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 10:11 #67237 | |
ozrail
197 posts |
Don't forget it's now part of the Wembley Main Line sim. So Flabberdacks you work at Auburn?
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| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 11:49 #67239 | |
DaveHarries
1285 posts |
" said:Don't forget it's now part of the Wembley Main Line sim. Yep. I think the Wembley ML sim suffices for a replacement for the old Euston sim. ANyway the bigger the layout the better IMO. Dave Last edited: 31/12/2014 at 11:50 by DaveHarries Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 11:56 #67240 | |
headshot119
4869 posts |
" said:" said:Wembley Mainline isn't a replacement for Euston though, the original Euston sim has a different layout and a smaller area.Don't forget it's now part of the Wembley Main Line sim. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 12:43 #67243 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
2084 posts |
Two completely different eras. WM replaced Euston Panel in reality, and there is far too much of a difference for an era option in the sim. I think GeoffM posted something along those lines at some point in the past on here so it may be worth a search. You can play Euston single-handed, but WM would be a struggle. Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 14:56 #67247 | |
jc92
3690 posts |
" said:" said:Don't forget it's now part of the Wembley Main Line sim. Not really. The current Euston layout caters very poorly for loco hauled trains. Once Euston is updated I intend to update the 1980 timetable in line with current loader standards,and also make some further additions and ammendments. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 31/12/2014 at 22:15 #67253 | |
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ozrail
197 posts |
Don't get me wrong about Old Euston I really like it. The new Euston is just different and that's good too. How much fun is it to be able to travel back in time to old timetables and signalling just like Dr Who? Happy New Year Everyone.
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| Old Euston on Loader 01/01/2015 at 06:39 #67260 | |
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flabberdacks
636 posts |
" said:" said:Used to, moved on last year when they started cutting it to pieces. The diagram certainly doesn't look like that anymore! She'll be closed for good in six months or so, they say.No worries, this is the response I thought I'd get. Figured it was worth a shot considering there are other realism options there like the additional TD berths. Got no problem with the traffic density, it's just painful to click those signals all the time. Thanks! Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 01/01/2015 at 11:49 #67267 | |
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lazzer
636 posts |
" said:Once Euston is updated I intend to update the 1980 timetable in line with current loader standards,and also make some further additions and ammendments.Moar trains for moar chaos please! Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 01/01/2015 at 21:16 #67284 | |
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ozrail
197 posts |
I just reset the signals to green after every train arrives or departs, rather the waiting for the next train.
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| Old Euston on Loader 01/01/2015 at 23:19 #67289 | |
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flabberdacks
636 posts |
" said:I just reset the signals to green after every train arrives or departs, rather the waiting for the next train.Yeah, this was the basis for my original question, most of those sticks are sitting at clear whether there's a train coming or not for the majority of the sim, just to help manage the workload. Basically behaving like autos. Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 02/01/2015 at 06:18 #67294 | |
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ozrail
197 posts |
I wonder if these signals at Euston had Auto buttons (controls) in real life. It's a shame to see the beautiful and impressive Auburn signal box diagram butchered by the Signal engineers. Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 02/01/2015 at 08:20 #67296 | |
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Forest Pines
525 posts |
" said:I wonder if these signals at Euston had Auto buttons (controls) in real life.I suspect not, otherwise Clive wouldn't have said they definitely won't be appearing on the sim. Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 02/01/2015 at 09:17 #67297 | |
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ozrail
197 posts |
I have no doubt that the Euston sim would be correct.
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| Old Euston on Loader 02/01/2015 at 17:11 #67301 | |
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clive
2789 posts |
" said:I wonder if these signals at Euston had Auto buttons (controls) in real life.No, they didn't. If they had done, I would have included them. (I'm not sure why they don't, but we live with what we're given. Usually.) Log in to reply |
| Old Euston on Loader 04/01/2015 at 06:06 #67366 | |
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flabberdacks
636 posts |
If I remember correctly, Euston was built fairly early on in the development of the NX technology. Did other boxes built in its era have automatic re-clear functions for controlled signals? I wonder if that came in later on, hence the confusing omission.
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| Old Euston on Loader 04/01/2015 at 13:35 #67375 | |
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Danny252
1461 posts |
" said:If I remember correctly, Euston was built fairly early on in the development of the NX technology. Did other boxes built in its era have automatic re-clear functions for controlled signals? I wonder if that came in later on, hence the confusing omission.The WR NX panels have this feature, and I don't think it was a retrofitted feature The LUL had (or still have, rather!) the ability to run signals in either controlled or automatic modes on a number of their power frames, which outdate NX panels by some decades. Last edited: 04/01/2015 at 13:41 by Danny252 Log in to reply |
