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| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 14:00 #70487 | |
Danny252
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Having glanced at the platform lengths at Wolverhampton (both in the manual and NR's up-to-date published information), they seem a bit short for the 11-car 390s. For example, P1 is quoted as 267m, which is a bit tight for a 265m train - however, they do use that platform! Is it the case that the trains overhang slightly at one end, do they just about fit with some very careful driving, or are the quoted platform lengths shorter than what is actually available? Log in to reply |
| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 14:05 #70488 | |
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Noisynoel
989 posts |
Why would they overhang? You say the train is 2m shorter than the platform!
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| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 14:35 #70489 | |
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Danny252
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Assuming that all of that space is usable! If Simsig is to believed, anything over 235m overhangs in the Down direction, presumably due to the signals not being at the end of the platform.
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| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 15:17 #70491 | |
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Nutter
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Platform 1 they do fit, I haven't seen the rear but the stopping point is right up against the signal. Platform 2 has been extended to accommodate 11car Pendolinos a few years ago, Platform 4 was already long enough from its original construction, Not sure on the procedure for platform 3 through, may have a Local order to stop 11cars using that platform
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| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 15:30 #70492 | |
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Danny252
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Aha, there we go - although I must admit I'm a bit surprised that they want ask drivers to regularly pull right up to a signal at danger. If nothing else, it can't be easy to read the platform starter at that distance!
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| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 16:17 #70495 | |
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Noisynoel
989 posts |
Why not? A lot of the stations on the Southern have 12 car platforms with signals right at the end with 12 car trains stopping at them, it's all part of the drivers route knowledge and training to know where to stop on a platform as well as where the appropriate signal is.
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| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 16:46 #70496 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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It isn't generally encouraged these days to stop right at a signal, but providing the train doesn't go past it then there is no reason why they can't. If it is something that happens regularly like in this case, someone will have assessed the risk before allowing it. Probably find the train drawing in very slowly if the signal is against it. I'd have thought 2 metres spare is also a little too close for comfort normally, but again it will fit so why not use it providing it has been assessed. Last edited: 29/03/2015 at 16:47 by Stephen Fulcher Log in to reply |
| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 17:29 #70498 | |
Steamer
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" said:Aha, there we go - although I must admit I'm a bit surprised that they want ask drivers to regularly pull right up to a signal at danger. If nothing else, it can't be easy to read the platform starter at that distance!The signals at Wolverhampton have been re-fitted with new LED heads, I don't know the name of the make. A feature of the design is a small 'repeater' at about 45 degrees relative to the main aspect, which allows the driver to draw right up to the signal and still see the aspect, as shown below. This is WN82, apologies for the poor quality; it's a blown-up crop of a much larger image.  Incidentally, the gantry used to suspend WN78 is an essay in over-engineering... Post has attachments. Log in to view them. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 17:35 #70500 | |
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8stewartt
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Is that the one that reads towards Penkridge from platform 2? If it is then I saw it last week on a rail charter, and wondered what they heck it was all about!!
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| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 17:35 #70501 | |
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AndyG
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Presumably the 'pigs ear' is needed due to a more restrictive viewing angle of a LED head compared to a filament lamp lens?
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| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 19:09 #70511 | |
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Noisynoel
989 posts |
" said:It isn't generally encouraged these days to stop right at a signal, but providing the train doesn't go past it then there is no reason why they can't.Like I say, it's a regular occurrence on the Southern region, by regular I mean numerous times a day at numerous locations especially during the morning peak. Most stations with signals at the end of the platform have the 12 car stopping mark mounted on the signal post, Some have a stopping mark for all trains on the signal post, eg Maidstone East Down platform, London Bridge Platform 6 (Before closure) are just two examples and with London Bridge 99% of the trains would be coming up on a Red there as the trains were timed so close together. Noisynoel Log in to reply |
| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 19:12 #70512 | |
jc92
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" said:" said:how do driver's see the signal aspect (having used the DRA) to avoid ding ding and away? are there off/RA indicators?It isn't generally encouraged these days to stop right at a signal, but providing the train doesn't go past it then there is no reason why they can't.Like I say, it's a regular occurrence on the Southern region, by regular I mean numerous times a day at numerous locations especially during the morning peak. Most stations with signals at the end of the platform have the 12 car stopping mark mounted on the signal post, Some have a stopping mark for all trains on the signal post, eg Maidstone East Down platform, London Bridge Platform 6 (Before closure) are just two examples and with London Bridge 99% of the trains would be coming up on a Red there as the trains were timed so close together. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 29/03/2015 at 20:54 #70521 | |
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RainbowNines
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I used to be a frequent user of Wolverhampton and I don't ever remember seeing a train enter platform 1 toward a red aspect. That's a very small sample, obviously... The linespeed's pretty low, is it not? Log in to reply |
| Wolverhampton and 11-car 390s 02/04/2015 at 22:10 #70685 | |
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bill_gensheet
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'Filament and lens' signals usually had a section of the lens set to throw some of the light sideways, whereas with an LED this won't happen so high angle viewing it is provided by a separate set of lamps. Presumably each will require separate proving at least within the head ? Below image shows a straight on view so the angled beam section (here to the right) showing up darker at about 4 o'clock 
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