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| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 15:25 #78462 | |
HeadController
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I understand that at the end of the month the layout is being altered with the cross over at the Farringdon side of the station being removed and a new scissors cross over being installed at the Baker Street side. Does anyone know if the IMR is being used or is a new SER being commissioned.
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| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 16:19 #78463 | |
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metcontrol
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The signalling will be changed within the existing IMR. Some preparatory work has been done with track replacement over recent weeks, but the remainder of the project will be carried out between 26-30th December, with the layout planned to be operational on 31st.
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| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 16:34 #78464 | |
madaboutrains
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I have some pictures of the new layout.
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| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 17:06 #78466 | |
ajax103
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" said:I have some pictures of the new layout.I don't suppose you can share them or not as the case might be? Log in to reply |
| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 17:17 #78467 | |
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madaboutrains
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Cant post it from my phone!
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| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 17:21 #78468 | |
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madaboutrains
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| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 17:26 #78469 | |
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ajax103
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How often did the existing crossover get used? Secondly how often will the new one get used?
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| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 19:06 #78476 | |
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HeadController
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" said:I understand that at the end of the month the layout is being altered with the cross over at the Farringdon side of the station being removed and a new scissors cross over being installed at the Baker Street side. Does anyone know if the IMR is being used or is a new SER being commissioned. MC thanks for that. Log in to reply |
| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 21:35 #78478 | |
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arabianights
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Does the OJ stand for orange juice?
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| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 21:39 #78480 | |
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JamesN
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" said:Does the OJ stand for orange juice?No Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Trainfan344 |
| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 22:23 #78483 | |
Peter Bennet
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I suspect it's the interlocking code - like on the Vic line were we have VH at Kings Cross. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 23:08 #78485 | |
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madaboutrains
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thats correct peter.
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| Kings cross Circle 06/12/2015 at 23:12 #78486 | |
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madaboutrains
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 Baker Street controls from Preston Road (Southbound) to Aldgate East and Tower Hill (ex). Note Edgware Road being on the diagram but this is just an overview as this is controlled by a cabin at that location. It was suppose to come in but it never did - the whole of the met from Amersham/Chesham/Hammersmith to Aldgate East should have gone in but it never did! Post has attachments. Log in to view them. RIP Feltham Panel 1 Log in to reply The following users said thank you: HeadController, flabberdacks |
| Kings cross Circle 07/12/2015 at 18:44 #78505 | |
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metcontrol
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" said:How often did the existing crossover get used? Secondly how often will the new one get used?The existing crossover was only generally used during engineering works or in service disruption. Normal day-to-day service recovery rarely used this crossover as the moves available will either slow down the eastbound or westbound or both. The new crossovers will be used on a number of weekends in the first half of next year - with Hammersmith & City line trains reversing from east to west on one platform, and a Metropolitan Line service reversing from the other. Other than that, the new crossovers probably won't get used much more than the old crossover. Unfortunately there are a few "issues" which mean their original intention of being a quick reversing point in an emergency has fallen by the wayside slightly. Consultation with the end user was less than perhaps should have been... Log in to reply The following user said thank you: HeadController |
| Kings cross Circle 07/12/2015 at 19:38 #78509 | |
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HeadController
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Do you have any closer shots of the panels where the Jubilee used to run? What I don't fully understand is why they put those TVs on the top of the panel, I know they show various platforms but surely in this day and age they are not needed or is the service disruptions that bad and some people can not keep on book. Log in to reply |
| Kings cross Circle 07/12/2015 at 19:39 #78510 | |
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HeadController
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" said:" said:How often did the existing crossover get used? Secondly how often will the new one get used?The existing crossover was only generally used during engineering works or in service disruption. Normal day-to-day service recovery rarely used this crossover as the moves available will either slow down the eastbound or westbound or both. I suppose the new arrangement will give more flexibility, will the new points be surelocks? Log in to reply |
| Kings cross Circle 07/12/2015 at 19:46 #78511 | |
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madaboutrains
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/llangollen_signalman/albums/72157632671559016 not mine but these would do
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| Kings cross Circle 07/12/2015 at 19:51 #78512 | |
headshot119
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" said:" said:I believe the monitors allow the controllers to confirm the train number of a train sat in the platform (Especially useful when the line controller reforms a service, or an emergency timetable is instigated.). I'm sure metcontrol can correct me if I'm wrong. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Kings cross Circle 07/12/2015 at 19:55 #78513 | |
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metcontrol
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The monitors were originally placed there during the period of time when the signalling within the city area (Baker Street to Aldgate) was being installed. There were some problems with train numbers passing from signalling site to signalling site. As headshot119 says, these monitors helped to confirm train numbers. In recent times, some additional monitors were installed to show the cab fronts of Metropolitan Line trains at Aldgate. During peak times we use "stepping back" of Train Operators to reduce turn-round times. The monitors enable the control centre operators to ascertain if a Train Operator is fully in position before the route is cleared. The Aldgate area has an average window of 27 seconds where disruption can occur before it knocks on to other services. The position of the monitors means that anyone controlling any of the 3 desks in the control room can see pictures. This is rather than installing a set of monitors to each individual desk. Last edited: 07/12/2015 at 19:56 by metcontrol Log in to reply The following users said thank you: slatteryc, HeadController |
| Kings cross Circle 07/12/2015 at 21:40 #78515 | |
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madaboutrains
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I bet the program machine for Tower Hill sends the wrong train number sometimes or a train in the wrong turn?
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| Kings cross Circle 07/12/2015 at 22:09 #78516 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:I bet the program machine for Tower Hill sends the wrong train number sometimes or a train in the wrong turn?Is that why the laser display board sometimes indicates that the next train is to an unknown destination/passengers to check front of train. Generally I've noticed this on the sub-surface rather than tube lines. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Last edited: 07/12/2015 at 22:09 by Peter Bennet Log in to reply |
| Kings cross Circle 08/12/2015 at 01:53 #78521 | |
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madaboutrains
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Yeah, Most of the Sub Surface at Earls Court is now done by electronic program machines but the Piccadilly is still operated by manual program machines with rolls.
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| Kings cross Circle 08/12/2015 at 07:20 #78524 | |
Harsig
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" said:I bet the program machine for Tower Hill sends the wrong train number sometimes or a train in the wrong turn?Programme machines generally don't send train numbers anywhere. That's because they never know the number of the actual train they are dealing with. With programme machines Train Description i.e. destination is king. Log in to reply |
| Kings cross Circle 08/12/2015 at 08:19 #78527 | |
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HeadController
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I was lead to believe it was the other way round, the Picc being done when T5 opened. They use a train following system.
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| Kings cross Circle 08/12/2015 at 08:23 #78528 | |
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HeadController
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I have seen these but they show the panel when the Jubilee was under Baker Street, I meant with the Jubilee now gone as your photo shows, you can see that Stanmore has gone totally but from Wembley to Finchley Road it appears to have been left in place but minus the signals.
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