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| New high speed sleeper 06/01/2016 at 21:31 #79640 | |
northroad
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Just had a look at real time for the rerouting of 1S25 the Caledonian Sleeper to Scotland this evening as it is currently rerouted up the East Coast because of the problems on the West Coast. When was the new rolling super fast stock brought in. Just look at the timed for information 1S25 2116 London Euston to Inverness Caledonian Sleeper service Schedule Information •STP schedule UID O59210, identity 1S25 •Runs on 06/01/2016 only •Service code 23556003 •Sleeper (Domestic) Operational Information •Schedule from VSTP •Timed for 246mph max •Electric locomotive, trailing load 385 tonnes Log in to reply |
| New high speed sleeper 06/01/2016 at 22:12 #79646 | |
headshot119
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It's a long term fault with the data feeds where they show last minute planned schedules in meters per second instead of miles per hours, which then gets interpreted wrong on RTT and the like.
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| New high speed sleeper 06/01/2016 at 22:16 #79647 | |
320322
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It's a fault on RTT , I've seen trains timed at 168mph. On another note, said sleepers are being diverted via the Glasgow & South Western (GSW) with shunting/loco swaps at Mossend owing to line closures of the ECML over a couple of weekends. GBRF apparently supplying 4 x 47 for the work. Saw the info earlier but didn't get a chance to have a good look. Happening soon from what I gather
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| New high speed sleeper 06/01/2016 at 23:45 #79648 | |
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JamesN
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" said:It's a long term fault with the data feeds where they show last minute planned schedules in meters per second instead of miles per hours, which then gets interpreted wrong on RTT and the like.246m/s?!?! Reasonable speed for London - Edinburgh on an Airbus, perhaps not the Highland Sleeper though... (1mph is roughly 0.45m/s) Log in to reply The following user said thank you: northroad |
| New high speed sleeper 07/01/2016 at 11:51 #79655 | |
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northroad
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" said:It's a fault on RTT , I've seen trains timed at 168mph. On another note, said sleepers are being diverted via the Glasgow & South Western (GSW) with shunting/loco swaps at Mossend owing to line closures of the ECML over a couple of weekends. GBRF apparently supplying 4 x 47 for the work. Saw the info earlier but didn't get a chance to have a good look. Happening soon from what I gatherInteresting that they are going to be doing the splitting into the smaller onward portions at Mossend. Didn't they do the splitting at Mossend many years ago as part of the normal everyday schedule for the sleeper. I have just had a look another look at 1S25 that set out from Euston last night at 21:16 and has just arrived in Inverness some 14 hours later. Must admit I did think the revamped timings were a bit generous in some cases as sown in Real Time Trains but in reality they did not stick to them and the passengers had a rollercoaster ride. 43 minutes up on schedule by Newcastle and 80 minutes up on reaching Dundee. There it sat for over an hour for who knows what. Left only 16 early but was 20 late by Aberdeen and then finally 27 late on arrival in Inverness. Surely in a case like that they must have put the passengers off and asked them to use the usual service trains which would have been quicker I would have thought. One has got to congratulate them though for trying to run some sort of sleeper service under the given circumstances we have at present. Geoff Log in to reply |
| New high speed sleeper 07/01/2016 at 15:41 #79660 | |
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Humorist
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Looking around Real Time Trains to see what VT was doing over the G&SW to circumvent the Lamington Viaduct blockage, I found 1Z06 16:30 Carlisle to Glasgow Central, a Voyager timed for 280 mph. Who needs HS2? Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: northroad |
| New high speed sleeper 07/01/2016 at 18:30 #79666 | |
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Danny252
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" said:" said:It sounds more like the data is being presented in mph but the units quoted as m/s, given that 110m/s=246mph, and 110mph sounds more like it.It's a long term fault with the data feeds where they show last minute planned schedules in meters per second instead of miles per hours, which then gets interpreted wrong on RTT and the like.246m/s?!?! Reasonable speed for London - Edinburgh on an Airbus, perhaps not the Highland Sleeper though... Similarly, Humorist's value of 280 is what you get if you convert 125mph to m/s. Log in to reply |
| New high speed sleeper 07/01/2016 at 18:32 #79667 | |
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Danny252
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" said:" said:I believe headshot119's point was that the value is shown correctly as "110", but the units are incorrectly stated to be "m/s" rather than "mph". RTT takes this at face value, and attempts to convert the value to mph...It's a long term fault with the data feeds where they show last minute planned schedules in meters per second instead of miles per hours, which then gets interpreted wrong on RTT and the like.246m/s?!?! Reasonable speed for London - Edinburgh on an Airbus, perhaps not the Highland Sleeper though... Last edited: 07/01/2016 at 18:33 by Danny252 Log in to reply The following users said thank you: headshot119, JamesN, northroad |
| New high speed sleeper 07/01/2016 at 18:57 #79670 | |
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Ron_J
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" said:" said:It's a long term fault with the data feeds where they show last minute planned schedules in meters per second instead of miles per hours, which then gets interpreted wrong on RTT and the like.246m/s?!?! Reasonable speed for London - Edinburgh on an Airbus, perhaps not the Highland Sleeper though... As has been explained, it is a limitation in the Train Planning System used by Network Rail. Simply multiply the realtimetrains speed by 0.44704 to get the real timing speed; in this case 110mph. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: northroad |
| New high speed sleeper 07/01/2016 at 19:18 #79671 | |
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JamesN
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Ahh apologies I thought headshot was saying the value was m/s not the unit - makes a lot more sense now, thanks and apologies.
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| New high speed sleeper 07/01/2016 at 20:13 #79676 | |
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Ron_J
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" said:It's not actually a problem with RTT but with the Network Rail planning software. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: northroad |
| New high speed sleeper 07/01/2016 at 21:38 #79679 | |
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northroad
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" said:" said:Thanks for the responses guys. Would anyone know why it sat at Dundee for over an hour though. Yes I know it was very early but I am sure anyone using this service would have been pleased to get to Inverness before 11 in the morning. It cannot have been because of routing problems because the single track sections are North of Aberdeen. Could it have been waiting for a driver with the correct routine knowledge all the way or because of train length and having to loop traffic further North of Aberdeen and finding a long enough slot to put it in. I note that it runs again tonight on the same path.It's a fault on RTT , I've seen trains timed at 168mph. On another note, said sleepers are being diverted via the Glasgow & South Western (GSW) with shunting/loco swaps at Mossend owing to line closures of the ECML over a couple of weekends. GBRF apparently supplying 4 x 47 for the work. Saw the info earlier but didn't get a chance to have a good look. Happening soon from what I gatherInteresting that they are going to be doing the splitting into the smaller onward portions at Mossend. Didn't they do the splitting at Mossend many years ago as part of the normal everyday schedule for the sleeper. Geoff Log in to reply |
| New high speed sleeper 07/01/2016 at 23:36 #79687 | |
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JamesN
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I would throw the suggestion (and I'm not sure if it's true or not) into the ring that some of the signalboxes north of Dundee weren't yet open?
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