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| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 19:47 #80220 | |
jb108822
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I've had a go with Brighton, and I'm liking it. It's busy to do just on my own, but I don't mind too much. I've encountered an issue with joining trains at Haywards Heath, however, and quite early on in the timetable. 1B02 and 1F78 have joined fine in Platform 4, but 1H80 and 1B04 haven't in Platform 3. I can get 1H80 into the platform completely fine, and can set the route for 1B04 to go behind it as it should, but 1B04 just stops at signal 348. I've tried editing the timetable so that the trains go into Platform 4 instead, but I've encountered the exact same issue - train 1B04 still stops at signal 348. As far as I can tell, the only way around the problem is to allow the train to pass 348 at danger, but I was wondering if there are any other ways around it. I've had a look at the manual, but I can't seem to find anything helpful. I'm guessing that joining trains at Haywards Heath should do what 1B02 and 1F78 did - join up with no issues at all.
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| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 22:40 #80221 | |
BarryM
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I found no issues with 1B04 joining 1H80. You can see for your self by loading the attached save file (ssg). Barry [attachment=3612]Brighton2015Snapshot.ssg[/attachment] Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 22:58 #80222 | |
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Trainfan344
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OP, can you confirm which loader version you're on?
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| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 23:08 #80223 | |
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jb108822
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" said:OP, can you confirm which loader version you're on? I'm on loader version 4.5.8. Oh, and I can't actually open that screenshot for some reason. Log in to reply |
| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 23:16 #80224 | |
jc92
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I've tried to reproduce this but I can't. I thought you had to hold 340 at danger to get the permissive route, but turns out it releases even with 340 showing a proceed aspect.
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| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 23:22 #80225 | |
Steamer
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" said:" said:It's a saved game- if you save it in the folder with the rest of your Brighton saves, you can open from the Loader.OP, can you confirm which loader version you're on? If you're still struggling, attach a save game with the trains not joining and we'll take a look at it. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 23:24 #80226 | |
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BarryM
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" said:" said:It is not a screen shot!OP, can you confirm which loader version you're on? To see it, you need to copy the file to your Brighton's Simulation folder. Open the Simsig Loader, click on "Load a previously saved simulation". Choose "Brighton". Select file "Brighton2015Snapshot.ssg". Click "Start" button. You should see trains in motion! Barry EDIT Steamer was one jump ahead of me! Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Last edited: 29/01/2016 at 23:26 by BarryM Log in to reply |
| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 23:32 #80227 | |
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jb108822
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" said:I've tried to reproduce this but I can't. I thought you had to hold 340 at danger to get the permissive route, but turns out it releases even with 340 showing a proceed aspect. I've held 340 at danger for this join, and it's worked - 1B04 has gone past 348 showing a shunt aspect, and is now joining with 1H80. Strange that I didn't have to do it with the earlier join in Platform 4, but I did for this one. Log in to reply |
| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 23:42 #80229 | |
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Steamer
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" said:" said:How long did you wait for the shunt signal to clear? It does take about 50 seconds from when the track circuit approaching 348 is occupied.I've tried to reproduce this but I can't. I thought you had to hold 340 at danger to get the permissive route, but turns out it releases even with 340 showing a proceed aspect. Incidentally, you are required to hold 338 at danger when joining in Platform 4. It's impossible to set a call-on from 348 if a route is set from 338. This is the case at all stations, and is known as Huddersfield Control. Haywards Heath Platform 3 is very unusual in that the exit signal (340) is an automatic, and a call on can be set without it being at danger. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 23:46 #80231 | |
headshot119
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" said:" said:As with most things signaling related, there's always exceptions to the rule, not everywhere is fitted with Huddersfield control." said:How long did you wait for the shunt signal to clear? It does take about 50 seconds from when the track circuit approaching 348 is occupied.I've tried to reproduce this but I can't. I thought you had to hold 340 at danger to get the permissive route, but turns out it releases even with 340 showing a proceed aspect. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 23:47 #80232 | |
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jb108822
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" said:" said:" said:How long did you wait for the shunt signal to clear? It does take about 50 seconds from when the track circuit approaching 348 is occupied.I've tried to reproduce this but I can't. I thought you had to hold 340 at danger to get the permissive route, but turns out it releases even with 340 showing a proceed aspect. I believe it was something like 50 seconds. Advice noted for future joins. Thanks very much. 
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| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 23:51 #80233 | |
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Hooverman
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" said:I've tried to reproduce this but I can't. I thought you had to hold 340 at danger to get the permissive route, but turns out it releases even with 340 showing a proceed aspect.Probably until just recently we were allowed to work Haywards Heath that way in real life (starters off) by the SBIs and now the new SBIs say it's prohibited but they forget that T340 is an auto, so we must due for yet another reissue. The sim I believe reflected real life and how it was worked at the time that the data was gathered. Log in to reply |
| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 29/01/2016 at 23:53 #80234 | |
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headshot119
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" said:" said:Can you not just hold 340 at danger on the replacement switch? Or let me guess it's not a proved replacement switch so doesn't count?I've tried to reproduce this but I can't. I thought you had to hold 340 at danger to get the permissive route, but turns out it releases even with 340 showing a proceed aspect.Probably until just recently we were allowed to work Haywards Heath that way in real life (starters off) by the SBIs and now the new SBIs say it's prohibited but they forget that T340 is an auto, so we must due for yet another reissue. The sim I believe reflected real life and how it was worked at the time that the data was gathered. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 30/01/2016 at 00:02 #80235 | |
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Steamer
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" said:That kind of approach control is very common- the signal will clear itself after sufficient time has elapsed for the train to slow down. You're only in trouble when the train rings in from the signal- if that much time has passed something else needs to happen before it will clear. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Brighton December 2015 - joining issue at Haywards Heath 30/01/2016 at 00:11 #80236 | |
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Hooverman
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" said:" said:That's correct T340 is not proved, infact no auto signals at TBASC on the original panels 1A to 6 were proved excepte T641 & T644 at Spatham Lane AHBs and T645 & T646 at Plumpton. Since panel 7 was commissioned and the various mods with various re-signalling projects the list of proved autos have increased in recent years." said:Can you not just hold 340 at danger on the replacement switch? Or let me guess it's not a proved replacement switch so doesn't count?I've tried to reproduce this but I can't. I thought you had to hold 340 at danger to get the permissive route, but turns out it releases even with 340 showing a proceed aspect.Probably until just recently we were allowed to work Haywards Heath that way in real life (starters off) by the SBIs and now the new SBIs say it's prohibited but they forget that T340 is an auto, so we must due for yet another reissue. The sim I believe reflected real life and how it was worked at the time that the data was gathered. Log in to reply |