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| transferring rolling stock between mainlines 29/02/2016 at 20:11 #80941 | |
asl
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I was reading about Marylebone's history, and it said that at one time LNER or BR(Eastern) ran this station and the former GCR routes. It then mentioned that Gresley A1's were used on the expresses and mentioned Flying Scotsman pulling services to/from Marylebone. Then I wondered how do you get the loco from KingsX to Marylebone in the first place? Or did it have to switch over in Yorkshire and come in with a service the previous day? And then my curiosity expanded to how do they move rolling stock between main lines? Is there a way to transfer trains, locos, rolling stock between the northern London termini (as I know the ones south of the river are all interconnected anyway)? Marylebone / Paddington is also a famous parliamentary train and diversionary route so that's covered, but what of the rest? Thanks for letting us know, if you know. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Hooverman |
| transferring rolling stock between mainlines 29/02/2016 at 20:14 #80942 | |
headshot119
4869 posts |
You can travel between all of the London terminals by rail, the North London Line connects a lot of the northern terminals together, and leads on to connections with the southern ones.
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| transferring rolling stock between mainlines 29/02/2016 at 22:29 #80945 | |
jc92
3685 posts |
It wouldnt have run to kings cross. It would have been serviced on the GC. Several GC sheds had allocations of A3s with locos mainly serviced at leicester, Darnall and Neasden. The only working to run from the GC into Kings Cross was the Master Cutler from Sheffield Victoria but I dont think it would have retained the same loco throughout. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| transferring rolling stock between mainlines 01/03/2016 at 11:21 #80954 | |
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RainbowNines
272 posts |
I seem to recall during the ill fated blockade of KX a couple of Christmases ago, Hull Trains ran two services either way following a bizarre route of reverse at Harringay reversing sidings, over the flyover, reverse again down on to the GOBLin, then down into St Pancras via Junction Road Jn and presumably another reverse at West Hampstead. The return journey didn't need to do the complicated double reverse at Hornsey. I'm sure thats about right but happy to be corrected by others. Anyway, running out from KX to Ferme Park and reversing would be the way to move stock between the two. I believe 58050 has included a train from St Pancras in his incredible 1985 KX TT which essentially does that. Log in to reply |
| transferring rolling stock between mainlines 01/03/2016 at 11:33 #80955 | |
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JamesN
1607 posts |
In 2013 HT also ran St Pancras to Doncaster direct, via MML, Toton and Barrow Hill
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| transferring rolling stock between mainlines 01/03/2016 at 11:40 #80956 | |
northroad
872 posts |
" said:It wouldnt have run to kings cross. It would have been serviced on the GC. Several GC sheds had allocations of A3s with locos mainly serviced at leicester, Darnall and Neasden.I will stand corrected on this but I think the Cutler when it was rescheduled to run into Kings Cross back in 1958 was always scheduled to be diesel hauled. Not to say that steam sometimes stood in for a failure or the like. It ran from Sheffield to Retford and then down to the Cross and the only stop it made was at Retford. The days of the English Electric type 4's meant that it would not have needed to change engines. A good web site for researching old railway routes is http://www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php. This is an excellent site showing the names and routings for those such as the North London which others have mentioned. It also gives you a google link which you can then click on to find a wealth of information for the line being queried. There is no guarantee that stock or engines used every way possible because of route availability and other restrictions for different classes of locomotives. Certainly the North London went into the old London terminus of Broad Street which had regular services to both Richmond and Watford Junction for the hundreds of commuters into the city. It was situated right next door to Liverpool Street but I don't know if it actually had a connection to there. It was certainly one of the routes and stations that a certain Mr Beeching tried to eliminate from the network but failed to do so. If you do use the link above and click on the North London line it gives you a link to an excellent site for the history of the route and even gives you a route map which shows all of the connections to other lines and termini that were available over the years. Geoff Log in to reply |
| transferring rolling stock between mainlines 01/03/2016 at 13:55 #80960 | |
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clive
2789 posts |
" said:It didn't. The vertical spacing was far too much! Broad Street was on a viaduct and Liverpool Street in cutting, so that Broad Street was roughly at Liverpool Street's roof level. From memory the shortest route between them was via Stratford; it was only when Broad Street was closing that the Graham Road curve was opened. [There was a connection from the North London Line to the London & Blackwall, so trains from Richmond and Highbury (or from Broad Street via the not-reinstated chord) could run to Fenchurch Street.] Log in to reply |
| transferring rolling stock between mainlines 01/03/2016 at 17:09 #80968 | |
Peter Bennet
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When I was doing my research for the 1977 KX timetable I found reference to a commuter service from Broad St to ECML destinations. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |