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Channel Tunnel freight trains 03/05/2016 at 18:56 #82119
Peter Bennet
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5402 posts 		Does anyone have any information on the freight trains that use the tunnel (not the lorry shuttle).

RTT shows there are a few trains most days from Calais to Dollands Moor and there are trains from Dollands Moor onwards, but it's not clear if the former is some sort of shuttle separate from the onward trains, or whether the onward trains are those that came through the tunnel.

CTRL is built to European loading gauge, to where can freight trains of that gauge get to in the UK? Or are (some) of the tunnel trains operated with UK loading gauge waggons?

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Channel Tunnel freight trains 03/05/2016 at 19:09 #82120
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4869 posts 		Some of the trains that run through use wagons which fit the UK loading gauge. There was an article in Railways Illustrated a year or so ago when one of there editors accompanied such a train from France to it's UK destination.
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Channel Tunnel freight trains 03/05/2016 at 19:14 #82121
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3985 posts 		" said:
CTRL is built to European loading gauge, to where can freight trains of that gauge get to in the UK?
As far as I know, only HS1 is built to European loading gauge.
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Channel Tunnel freight trains 03/05/2016 at 19:16 #82122
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1171 posts 		There's no such thing as "UK loading gauge" (even excluding the Northern Ireland railways), most stock is only gauge cleared for the lines it's due to run on.

Wikipedia has a basic run-down of the different gauges.
Network Rail Strategic Business plans have maps showing the different gauges, probably not as accurate as they could be, I'm sure some could be issued with the open data if pushed, it is (apparently) in the National Electronic Sectional Appendix.

As far as I am aware, the freight from the CTRL has a loco change at Dollands Moor, given the differing signalling systems and power feeds. NR states UIC GB+ for CTRL, Wikipedia states UIC GC, unsure who is right.
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Channel Tunnel freight trains 03/05/2016 at 19:19 #82123
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1171 posts 		" said:
" said:
CTRL is built to European loading gauge, to where can freight trains of that gauge get to in the UK?
As far as I know, only HS1 is built to European loading gauge.
Currently yes, however reading the CP5 documents it appears there's plans to expand some of the Western region to W10/W12 for trains from the CTRL.

"W10/W12 gauge clearance works Didcot – Bristol (Severn Tunnel); Reading – Acton
(staged completion 2016-2017) "
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Channel Tunnel freight trains 03/05/2016 at 19:25 #82124
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4869 posts 		" said:
There's no such thing as "UK loading gauge" (even excluding the Northern Ireland railways), most stock is only gauge cleared for the lines it's due to run on.

Wikipedia has a basic run-down of the different gauges.
Network Rail Strategic Business plans have maps showing the different gauges, probably not as accurate as they could be, I'm sure some could be issued with the open data if pushed, it is (apparently) in the National Electronic Sectional Appendix.

As far as I am aware, the freight from the CTRL has a loco change at Dollands Moor, given the differing signalling systems and power feeds. NR states UIC GB+ for CTRL, Wikipedia states UIC GC, unsure who is right.
I thought some of it came through hauled by Class 92s therefore not requiring a loco change?
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Channel Tunnel freight trains 03/05/2016 at 19:37 #82125
Sacro
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1171 posts 		" said:
" said:
There's no such thing as "UK loading gauge" (even excluding the Northern Ireland railways), most stock is only gauge cleared for the lines it's due to run on.

Wikipedia has a basic run-down of the different gauges.
Network Rail Strategic Business plans have maps showing the different gauges, probably not as accurate as they could be, I'm sure some could be issued with the open data if pushed, it is (apparently) in the National Electronic Sectional Appendix.

As far as I am aware, the freight from the CTRL has a loco change at Dollands Moor, given the differing signalling systems and power feeds. NR states UIC GB+ for CTRL, Wikipedia states UIC GC, unsure who is right.
I thought some of it came through hauled by Class 92s therefore not requiring a loco change?
Not sure they have KVB equipment fitted, therefore can't go into France (or St Pancras). I suspect they only go as far as Calais and then return.
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Channel Tunnel freight trains 03/05/2016 at 21:28 #82130
Noisynoel
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989 posts 		90% of the traffic through the Channel Tunnel is moved onwards from Dollands Moor by DB Cargo and have a loco change either 92 t 92 or 92 to 66, at Dollands Moor. All the 92's are configured for operation on both NR & CTRL, however they usually keep them separate. The GB journey however I believe (and I will confirm when I'm back at work next week) is hauled by the same 92 throughout.
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Channel Tunnel freight trains 04/05/2016 at 09:52 #82139
Jan
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906 posts 		" said:
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CTRL is built to European loading gauge, to where can freight trains of that gauge get to in the UK?
As far as I know, only HS1 is built to European loading gauge.
Currently yes, however reading the CP5 documents it appears there's plans to expand some of the Western region to W10/W12 for trains from the CTRL.

"W10/W12 gauge clearance works Didcot – Bristol (Severn Tunnel); Reading – Acton
(staged completion 2016-2017) "
That's not the same as full European loading gauge, though - compared to the continent, the lower half of the loading gauge will still be restricted because of platforms etc.
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