Never-ending crew change?

Here is a save of train 1P77 in the 2016 TT standing in Oxford P3 waiting for its 20:06 crew (it called me when entering reporting the crew would be there at 20:06).
However even when letting it run until 20:19, the train stays at "crew change" status.

Any way to get it to move?

If the answer is yes the the most likely cause is the update, as with most updates to the loader they tend to be save game incompatible, there are times when they do work but that is NOT guaranteed.

mark265 in post 103101 said:

If the answer is yes the the most likely cause is the update, as with most updates to the loader they tend to be save game incompatible, there are times when they do work but that is NOT guaranteed.

Given this, is there a reasonable way to downgrade to an earlier version of the loader temporarily?

Hawk777 in post 103123 said:

mark265 in post 103101 said:

If the answer is yes the the most likely cause is the update, as with most updates to the loader they tend to be save game incompatible, there are times when they do work but that is NOT guaranteed.

Given this, is there a reasonable way to downgrade to an earlier version of the loader temporarily?

When I checked the relevant folder after the upgrade SimSigloader.exe.bak was showing alongside the new updated loader. This may be a saved version of the loader you would like to revive.

It maybe a backup version but I doubt it will be of much use, it will be a backup from the first time that the backup system was implimented and will most likely be a version of the loader older than 4.6.3

mark265 in post 103128 said:

It maybe a backup version but I doubt it will be of much use, it will be a backup from the first time that the backup system was implimented and will most likely be a version of the loader older than 4.6.3

Just renamed and tried and it is showing v4.6

Perhaps the answer would be to archive off (or delete) the .bak file so that on any update the new .bak file (if created) would be the pre-update version.

postal in post 103133 said:

mark265 in post 103128 said:

It maybe a backup version but I doubt it will be of much use, it will be a backup from the first time that the backup system was implimented and will most likely be a version of the loader older than 4.6.3

Just renamed and tried and it is showing v4.6

Perhaps the answer would be to archive off (or delete) the .bak file so that on any update the new .bak file (if created) would be the pre-update version.

Please see my post here.

The problem is how the backup is created, it is also why when updating certain files you will get "failed to rename" (or something like that.)

I started a sim in 2000 era with the 1978 TT after updating to loader V4.6.5 and currently have 6M24 0455 Bristol Parkway - Wolverton stood DML Oxford expecting a crew change at 0702 but it's now 0750 and it's still waiting, so could it be a deeper issue than running a sim which was started using an old loader version?


Regards,

Phil.

Phil-jmw in post 103286 said:

I started a sim in 2000 era with the 1978 TT after updating to loader V4.6.5 and currently have 6M24 0455 Bristol Parkway - Wolverton stood DML Oxford expecting a crew change at 0702 but it's now 0750 and it's still waiting, so could it be a deeper issue than running a sim which was started using an old loader version?


Regards,

Phil.

No; the internal behaviour of crew changes was changed between loader versions - I suspect the failure for the crew change to take place is symptomatic of the change in internal working between the versions. A warning about potential incompatibility is presented when you load a save from an older version.

It appears all trains in Oxford are having infinite crew changes now. I have attached a save where 1P07 is on crew change. This game was started after the Loader update. The train crew called it would be there at 0624.

mark265 in post 103128 said:

It maybe a backup version but I doubt it will be of much use, it will be a backup from the first time that the backup system was implimented and will most likely be a version of the loader older than 4.6.3

Just renamed and tried and it is showing v4.6

Perhaps the answer would be to archive off (or delete) the .bak file so that on any update the new .bak file (if created) would be the pre-update version.

Albert in post 103297 said:

It appears all trains in Oxford are having infinite crew changes now. I have attached a save where 1P07 is on crew change. This game was started after the Loader update. The train crew called it would be there at 0624.

I found that this problem arises if there is an entry in the Train Type Crew Change dwell time box.

Until Geoff has sorted the whole issue of crew change and dwell time (see historical posts ad nauseum) then I find that a Location based dwell time of 2 mins with crew change also ticked works rather well..

Vince

Barry,

They do if you put 2 min in the location dwell time box!...

Vince

Well it doesn't even work. Even with a dwell time added, 1P07 still stays changing its crew indefinitely. Save attached.

Ah I see, I had added the location based dwell time but not removed the train type based one. I have now removed it and... 1P07 departs on time. Thanks!