LTS 1994 - 1995 Timetable

58050 in post 112418 said:

Andrew G in post 112415 said:

A couple of observations:

When freight trains detach vehicles with the front portion continuing it might be better if the detach rear head code was the new working rather than waiting until the shunt loco attaches. For example 4L50 detaches vehicles at Ripple Lane which ultimately form 9L50 but only after the shunt loco attaches. This means you have two 4L50 for a period and you need to use F2 or F4 to find out route for the front portion.

5B02 forms a return working of 2B02 at Pitsea and is scheduled to use P4. This means 2B02 departs under a subsidiary signal. Using P3 would avoid the need for this.

Finally is it worth asking a moderator to move this thread into the LTS Timetable section of the forum?

Firstly with reagrds to the detached portion of the freight train 4L50. As I mentioned when this timetable was sent for moderator approval it isn't quite the finished article yet. Once some of the out-standing issues have been resolved & the Ripple Lane Freightliner & West Yard Pilot moves have been entered then the current arrangement with 4L50 will no doubt change.
Your second point regarding 5B02. I think you've got the TD wrong here. 5B02 is an ECS from East Ham EMUD to Southend Central P1 which acts as a standby unit in case of failure & is as per the WTT. The train you are referring to is 5B07 which originally was platformed into P2, but was usually delayed due to the train that runs in front of it. So it was changed to P4. I don't really see then sense in changing the platform jusy because of the subsiduary signal on departure because 2B07 forms a staff train & not a public passenger train, so the usual regualtions wouldn't really apply to 2B07 as the only people travelling on it are railway staff.

Definetely 5B02 forming 2B02. I've got it in sim in front of me now. I ran it in front of the class 2 rather than behind it.

im not sure if im doing something wrong but i cant get 5B07 to get departure release from shoeburyness depot. Its stuck there now.

I also find it frustrating that the headcodes are duplicated for trains in the sim at the same time such as 5R03 would these have not had different headcodes?!

chrisdmadd in post 112475 said:

im not sure if im doing something wrong but i cant get 5B07 to get departure release from shoeburyness depot. Its stuck there now.

I also find it frustrating that the headcodes are duplicated for trains in the sim at the same time such as 5R03 would these have not had different headcodes?!

Not in 1995. The line was still controlled by multiple boxes until 1996 so duplication wouldn't have been an issue.

jc92 in post 112468 said:

58050 in post 112418 said:

Andrew G in post 112415 said:

A couple of observations:

When freight trains detach vehicles with the front portion continuing it might be better if the detach rear head code was the new working rather than waiting until the shunt loco attaches. For example 4L50 detaches vehicles at Ripple Lane which ultimately form 9L50 but only after the shunt loco attaches. This means you have two 4L50 for a period and you need to use F2 or F4 to find out route for the front portion.

5B02 forms a return working of 2B02 at Pitsea and is scheduled to use P4. This means 2B02 departs under a subsidiary signal. Using P3 would avoid the need for this.

Finally is it worth asking a moderator to move this thread into the LTS Timetable section of the forum?

Firstly with reagrds to the detached portion of the freight train 4L50. As I mentioned when this timetable was sent for moderator approval it isn't quite the finished article yet. Once some of the out-standing issues have been resolved & the Ripple Lane Freightliner & West Yard Pilot moves have been entered then the current arrangement with 4L50 will no doubt change.
Your second point regarding 5B02. I think you've got the TD wrong here. 5B02 is an ECS from East Ham EMUD to Southend Central P1 which acts as a standby unit in case of failure & is as per the WTT. The train you are referring to is 5B07 which originally was platformed into P2, but was usually delayed due to the train that runs in front of it. So it was changed to P4. I don't really see then sense in changing the platform jusy because of the subsiduary signal on departure because 2B07 forms a staff train & not a public passenger train, so the usual regualtions wouldn't really apply to 2B07 as the only people travelling on it are railway staff.

Definetely 5B02 forming 2B02. I've got it in sim in front of me now. I ran it in front of the class 2 rather than behind it.

Don't you mean 5B07? 5B02 enters around 05.40 & runs ECS from East Ham EMUD to Southend Central P1 & sits there as the stand by unit until after the morning peak before it returns to East Ham empty stock. I presume you are running without ARS which is fine for approx. another hour or 2 then forget it as you'll have 30+ trains on the panel & it gets pretty manic. I'm at 14.15 atm & it's fairly easy going apart from dealing with the freights.

58050 in post 112469 said:

jc92 in post 112468 said:

58050 in post 112418 said:

Andrew G in post 112415 said:

A couple of observations:

When freight trains detach vehicles with the front portion continuing it might be better if the detach rear head code was the new working rather than waiting until the shunt loco attaches. For example 4L50 detaches vehicles at Ripple Lane which ultimately form 9L50 but only after the shunt loco attaches. This means you have two 4L50 for a period and you need to use F2 or F4 to find out route for the front portion.

5B02 forms a return working of 2B02 at Pitsea and is scheduled to use P4. This means 2B02 departs under a subsidiary signal. Using P3 would avoid the need for this.
Well lets put it like this I'm now up yo 19.00 & around 18.30 I had 39 trains on the panel. Just be warned from around 04.45 things starthappening, but certainly by 06.30 there'll be 30+ trains on the sim. You might be able to manage, but so many trains have different calling pattern & Fenchurch Street is literally one in & one out on each of the 4 platforms it gets manic in no time. I'm sure you could switch to ARS without having to re-start so you could control one panel & let ARS manage the other panels. See how you go you'll soon realise when things start to get busy around 05.30ish with all the Cl.5 trains entering. Good luck anyway.

Finally is it worth asking a moderator to move this thread into the LTS Timetable section of the forum?

Firstly with reagrds to the detached portion of the freight train 4L50. As I mentioned when this timetable was sent for moderator approval it isn't quite the finished article yet. Once some of the out-standing issues have been resolved & the Ripple Lane Freightliner & West Yard Pilot moves have been entered then the current arrangement with 4L50 will no doubt change.
Your second point regarding 5B02. I think you've got the TD wrong here. 5B02 is an ECS from East Ham EMUD to Southend Central P1 which acts as a standby unit in case of failure & is as per the WTT. The train you are referring to is 5B07 which originally was platformed into P2, but was usually delayed due to the train that runs in front of it. So it was changed to P4. I don't really see then sense in changing the platform jusy because of the subsiduary signal on departure because 2B07 forms a staff train & not a public passenger train, so the usual regualtions wouldn't really apply to 2B07 as the only people travelling on it are railway staff.

Definetely 5B02 forming 2B02. I've got it in sim in front of me now. I ran it in front of the class 2 rather than behind it.

Don't you mean 5B07? 5B02 enters around 05.40 & runs ECS from East Ham EMUD to Southend Central P1 & sits there as the stand by unit until after the morning peak before it returns to East Ham empty stock. I presume you are running without ARS which is fine for approx. another hour or 2 then forget it as you'll have 30+ trains on the panel & it gets pretty manic. I'm at 14.15 atm & it's fairly easy going apart from dealing with the freights.

I try and run with no ARS wherever possible Pascal. I'm only up to the small hours running V2.1, are you saying ARS is a must by breakfast time? If so I'll restart with ARS enabled before I go any further into the morning.

Phil-jmw in post 112481 said:

58050 in post 112469 said:

jc92 in post 112468 said:

58050 in post 112418 said:

Andrew G in post 112415 said:

A couple of observations:

When freight trains detach vehicles with the front portion continuing it might be better if the detach rear head code was the new working rather than waiting until the shunt loco attaches. For example 4L50 detaches vehicles at Ripple Lane which ultimately form 9L50 but only after the shunt loco attaches. This means you have two 4L50 for a period and you need to use F2 or F4 to find out route for the front portion.

5B02 forms a return working of 2B02 at Pitsea and is scheduled to use P4. This means 2B02 departs under a subsidiary signal. Using P3 would avoid the need for this.
Well lets put it like this I'm now up yo 19.00 & around 18.30 I had 39 trains on the panel. Just be warned from around 04.45 things starthappening, but certainly by 06.30 there'll be 30+ trains on the sim. You might be able to manage, but so many trains have different calling pattern & Fenchurch Street is literally one in & one out on each of the 4 platforms it gets manic in no time. I'm sure you could switch to ARS without having to re-start so you could control one panel & let ARS manage the other panels. See how you go you'll soon realise when things start to get busy around 05.30ish with all the Cl.5 trains entering. Good luck anyway.

Finally is it worth asking a moderator to move this thread into the LTS Timetable section of the forum?

Firstly with reagrds to the detached portion of the freight train 4L50. As I mentioned when this timetable was sent for moderator approval it isn't quite the finished article yet. Once some of the out-standing issues have been resolved & the Ripple Lane Freightliner & West Yard Pilot moves have been entered then the current arrangement with 4L50 will no doubt change.
Your second point regarding 5B02. I think you've got the TD wrong here. 5B02 is an ECS from East Ham EMUD to Southend Central P1 which acts as a standby unit in case of failure & is as per the WTT. The train you are referring to is 5B07 which originally was platformed into P2, but was usually delayed due to the train that runs in front of it. So it was changed to P4. I don't really see then sense in changing the platform jusy because of the subsiduary signal on departure because 2B07 forms a staff train & not a public passenger train, so the usual regualtions wouldn't really apply to 2B07 as the only people travelling on it are railway staff.

Definetely 5B02 forming 2B02. I've got it in sim in front of me now. I ran it in front of the class 2 rather than behind it.

Don't you mean 5B07? 5B02 enters around 05.40 & runs ECS from East Ham EMUD to Southend Central P1 & sits there as the stand by unit until after the morning peak before it returns to East Ham empty stock. I presume you are running without ARS which is fine for approx. another hour or 2 then forget it as you'll have 30+ trains on the panel & it gets pretty manic. I'm at 14.15 atm & it's fairly easy going apart from dealing with the freights.

I try and run with no ARS wherever possible Pascal. I'm only up to the small hours running V2.1, are you saying ARS is a must by breakfast time? If so I'll restart with ARS enabled before I go any further into the morning.

Phil keep going as best you can, things start getting busy around 05.30. I know during the evening peak as I'm up to 19.00 I had 39 trains on the panel.

I've checked the timetable to see if there were any rules so if one appeared the other wouldn't but there doesn't seem to be any such rule.

ajax103 in post 112723 said:

I've checked the timetable to see if there were any rules so if one appeared the other wouldn't but there doesn't seem to be any such rule.

Have you checked the decisions as well as the rules? Some TT writers now use decisions rather than rules for situations like forcing one of a selection of trains to enter.

I have noticed is that on occasions the tt data doesn't save even when you've told it to save

As I have always understood it when you save a game a copy of the TT is included in the save, any changes made to the in game timetable are included in the save and when you reload the save the changes are still there, even if you did not save the timetable seperatly.

If reloading a save game you don't acctually need the WTT in the timetable folder.

The attached save game has changes in it that I know are not in the offical 08/05/2015 release TT, I loaded the sim put in the changes, saved the game and then exited the sim and did not save the timetable, then I removed the timetables out of the timetable folder and loaded the save game and the changes I made are still there.

I've got a issue in which 5R03 has appeared twice at Shoeburyness CSD; the first one to appear was the 8 car Class 302 which was signalled into Platform 3 as booked now I have 5R03 forming the exact same service booked into the exact same platform but using 8 car Class 310 stock!

I've checked the timetable to see if there were any rules so if one appeared the other wouldn't but there doesn't seem to be any such rule.

Now I know about duplicating headcodes but when it's the same headcode, same location, forms same outbound service then something is wrong.

For some reason 5R09 appears five times from East Ham EMUD to Fenchurch Street, this train is diagrammed as either a Class 305, Class 308, Class 3102 or a Class 312.

The train at fault is 6+10 EWD ECS East Ham EMUD - London Fenchurch St.

I can see one of the two Class 312 diagrammed services that appear are just arriving at Platform 2 at Fenchurch Street however this particular service then seems to transform into a Class 310 for it's next working....

I'm aware that you are busy Pascal but could you have a look at this one please?

I've recently started playing this incredible masterpiece of a timetable and it's clearly an amazing piece of work, but I am having a little bit of a problem with FLTP.

My game is a Wednesday game and I've got 4L50 sitting down in Ripple Lane West Sorting Sidings 3. It's already divided and the front half has already arrived in Seabrook Sidings. The second half is awaiting FLTP/FLTPMX which is supposed to enter Ripple Lane Freightliner Terminal at 05:20. It's almost 05:25 and there's no sign of it yet. I can't see any relevant rules or decisions that would prevent it from entering and I have already got a train out of the Freightliner Terminal without a problem, but this loco doesn't seem to want to enter and without it 4L50 is going nowhere.

I wonder if anybody else has come across this?