Kings Cross summer 2019 timetable uploaded

Last I heard TB was taking the southern ECML as part of Thames link. Nonetheless my question still stands.

jc92 in post 117614 said:

Last I heard TB was taking the southern ECML as part of Thames link. Nonetheless my question still stands.

There was once a proposal that some of the London-end of Kings Cross PSB would eventually be recontrolled/resignalled into Three Bridges ROC, but that has not been the plan for a number of years now.

All of KXPSB is going to York ROC.

mfcooper in post 117620 said:

jc92 in post 117614 said:

Last I heard TB was taking the southern ECML as part of Thames link. Nonetheless my question still stands.

There was once a proposal that some of the London-end of Kings Cross PSB would eventually be recontrolled/resignalled into Three Bridges ROC, but that has not been the plan for a number of years now.

All of KXPSB is going to York ROC.

I wonder, modern IT being what it is, if TB will have screens on their video wall to mimic what York is controlling (rather as Rugby has screens showing Euston/Willesden/Watford)?

If that sort of thing had been possible in my day, we'd have thought we'd died & gone to heaven.

THIS is how the Aussies do it.

kbarber in post 117627 said:

mfcooper in post 117620 said:

jc92 in post 117614 said:

Last I heard TB was taking the southern ECML as part of Thames link. Nonetheless my question still stands.

There was once a proposal that some of the London-end of Kings Cross PSB would eventually be recontrolled/resignalled into Three Bridges ROC, but that has not been the plan for a number of years now.

All of KXPSB is going to York ROC.

I wonder, modern IT being what it is, if TB will have screens on their video wall to mimic what York is controlling (rather as Rugby has screens showing Euston/Willesden/Watford)?

If that sort of thing had been possible in my day, we'd have thought we'd died & gone to heaven.

The video walls (whether of their own area or adjacent areas) always seems to be the first casualty of the budget - or perhaps managers saying "nah, we don't need that." Upminster was supposed to get them, Edinburgh was supposed to get them (not sure if they did in the end), at least a couple of other places too. Rugby had to switch out the Barco displays due to reliability issues, leaving smaller, regular screens haphazardly placed in front of the decommissioned Barco video wall...

I guess the TMIS and equivalent screens on the signallers' desks are cheaper and more flexible.

GeoffM in post 117636 said:

kbarber in post 117627 said:

mfcooper in post 117620 said:

jc92 in post 117614 said:

Last I heard TB was taking the southern ECML as part of Thames link. Nonetheless my question still stands.

There was once a proposal that some of the London-end of Kings Cross PSB would eventually be recontrolled/resignalled into Three Bridges ROC, but that has not been the plan for a number of years now.

All of KXPSB is going to York ROC.

I wonder, modern IT being what it is, if TB will have screens on their video wall to mimic what York is controlling (rather as Rugby has screens showing Euston/Willesden/Watford)?

If that sort of thing had been possible in my day, we'd have thought we'd died & gone to heaven.

The video walls (whether of their own area or adjacent areas) always seems to be the first casualty of the budget - or perhaps managers saying "nah, we don't need that." Upminster was supposed to get them, Edinburgh was supposed to get them (not sure if they did in the end), at least a couple of other places too. Rugby had to switch out the Barco displays due to reliability issues, leaving smaller, regular screens haphazardly placed in front of the decommissioned Barco video wall...

I guess the TMIS and equivalent screens on the signallers' desks are cheaper and more flexible.

Is this not a Barco display?

https://photos.signalling.org/picture?/20405/category/2138-2008_july

I can see it being useful to see what's going on at the fringes of any signalbox.

kbarber in post 117627 said:

mfcooper in post 117620 said:

jc92 in post 117614 said:

Last I heard TB was taking the southern ECML as part of Thames link. Nonetheless my question still stands.

There was once a proposal that some of the London-end of Kings Cross PSB would eventually be recontrolled/resignalled into Three Bridges ROC, but that has not been the plan for a number of years now.

All of KXPSB is going to York ROC.

I wonder, modern IT being what it is, if TB will have screens on their video wall to mimic what York is controlling (rather as Rugby has screens showing Euston/Willesden/Watford)?

If that sort of thing had been possible in my day, we'd have thought we'd died & gone to heaven.

The video walls (whether of their own area or adjacent areas) always seems to be the first casualty of the budget - or perhaps managers saying "nah, we don't need that." Upminster was supposed to get them, Edinburgh was supposed to get them (not sure if they did in the end), at least a couple of other places too. Rugby had to switch out the Barco displays due to reliability issues, leaving smaller, regular screens haphazardly placed in front of the decommissioned Barco video wall...

I guess the TMIS and equivalent screens on the signallers' desks are cheaper and more flexible.

The whole thing regarding Thameslink is that ALL the services currently operated by Great Northern (not including Moorgate services I think) are to be rerouted through the TL core (St. Pan. - Blackfriars) and that no-more trains operated by GTR currently will serve KGX. A video linked here will show you what I mean by "no-more trains operated by GTR will serve KGX". Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvvkkHywrhE

Should KX become payware, what will happen to those who already own KX as a free sim like me?

baitboy2004 in post 117696 said:

The whole thing regarding Thameslink is that ALL the services currently operated by Great Northern (not including Moorgate services I think) are to be rerouted through the TL core (St. Pan. - Blackfriars) and that no-more trains operated by GTR currently will serve KGX. A video linked here will show you what I mean by "no-more trains operated by GTR will serve KGX". Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvvkkHywrhE

I think the video is slightly misleading, the trains referred too that currently go to Kings Cross are Thameslink branded and operated by 700 units. It is they that are going through the core eventually. What the video does not cover are the GN branded trains which are the 376, 365 and 717 operated services. The 717s, as you say generally going to MOG, and the 376 and the 365s operating Kings Lynn and the Peterborough peak trains.

Peter

baitboy2004 in post 117700 said:

Should KX become payware, what will happen to those who already own KX as a free sim like me?

Based on previous precedents like Edinburgh, you would still be able to operate the sim but it would be the current version with no further upgrades/support/fixes.

So, is KGX been remade?

Peter Bennet in post 117702 said:

baitboy2004 in post 117696 said:

The whole thing regarding Thameslink is that ALL the services currently operated by Great Northern (not including Moorgate services I think) are to be rerouted through the TL core (St. Pan. - Blackfriars) and that no-more trains operated by GTR currently will serve KGX. A video linked here will show you what I mean by "no-more trains operated by GTR will serve KGX". Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvvkkHywrhE

I think the video is slightly misleading, the trains referred too that currently go to Kings Cross are Thameslink branded and operated by 700 units. It is they that are going through the core eventually. What the video does not cover are the GN branded trains which are the 376, 365 and 717 operated services. The 717s, as you say generally going to MOG, and the 376 and the 365s operating Kings Lynn and the Peterborough peak trains.

Peter

I thought it was Class 387’s that were alongside the 365’s.

Kings Lynn was removed as being part of the Thameslink TOC because of its distance from London,the fact that 700s aren't permitted beyond Ely and also it would mean unnecessary Platform lengthening to accommodate 12 car 700s. There would be no 8 car 700s available as these are required for Sutton/Wimbledon and Luton-Medway Towns services. Thus Kings Lynn will be part of Great Northern TOC, but could possibly be transferred to another TOC Franchise, if the Franchise process remains with us. As for the Peterborough "Peak" services, I would suspect they would come under Thameslink at some point, but as to whether they carry on into Kings Cross is unknown. Once ECTS (presently available but unused through lack of trained drivers and 700 units actually switched on to use ECTS) is finally used in the core section through London, there will be provision of 32 pathways an hour each direction, so there is availability for some additional trains to pass through the core section at peak times.

northroad in post 117706 said:

Peter Bennet in post 117702 said:

baitboy2004 in post 117696 said:

The whole thing regarding Thameslink is that ALL the services currently operated by Great Northern (not including Moorgate services I think) are to be rerouted through the TL core (St. Pan. - Blackfriars) and that no-more trains operated by GTR currently will serve KGX. A video linked here will show you what I mean by "no-more trains operated by GTR will serve KGX". Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvvkkHywrhE

I think the video is slightly misleading, the trains referred too that currently go to Kings Cross are Thameslink branded and operated by 700 units. It is they that are going through the core eventually. What the video does not cover are the GN branded trains which are the 376, 365 and 717 operated services. The 717s, as you say generally going to MOG, and the 376 and the 365s operating Kings Lynn and the Peterborough peak trains.

Peter

I thought it was Class 387’s that were alongside the 365’s.

Kings Lynn was removed as being part of the Thameslink TOC because of its distance from London, the fact that 700s aren't permitted beyond Ely and also it would mean unnecessary Platform lengthening to accommodate 12 car 700s. There would be no 8 car 700s available as these are required for Sutton/Wimbledon and Luton-Medway Towns services. Thus Kings Lynn will be part of Great Northern TOC, but could possibly be transferred to another TOC Franchise, if the Franchise process remains with us. As for the Peterborough "Peak" services, I would suspect they would come under Thameslink at some point, but as to whether they carry on into Kings Cross is unknown. Once ECTS (presently available but unused through lack of trained drivers and 700 units actually switched on to use ECTS) is finally used in the core section through London, there will be provision of 32 pathways an hour each direction, so there is availability for some additional trains to pass through the core section at peak times.

Giantray in post 117713 said:

northroad in post 117706 said:

Peter Bennet in post 117702 said:

baitboy2004 in post 117696 said:

The whole thing regarding Thameslink is that ALL the services currently operated by Great Northern (not including Moorgate services I think) are to be rerouted through the TL core (St. Pan. - Blackfriars) and that no-more trains operated by GTR currently will serve KGX. A video linked here will show you what I mean by "no-more trains operated by GTR will serve KGX". Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvvkkHywrhE

I think the video is slightly misleading, the trains referred too that currently go to Kings Cross are Thameslink branded and operated by 700 units. It is they that are going through the core eventually. What the video does not cover are the GN branded trains which are the 376, 365 and 717 operated services. The 717s, as you say generally going to MOG, and the 376 and the 365s operating Kings Lynn and the Peterborough peak trains.

Peter

I thought it was Class 387’s that were alongside the 365’s.

Kings Lynn was removed as being part of the Thameslink TOC because of its distance from London, the fact that 700s aren't permitted beyond Ely and also it would mean unnecessary Platform lengthening to accommodate 12 car 700s. There would be no 8 car 700s available as these are required for Sutton/Wimbledon and Luton-Medway Towns services. Thus Kings Lynn will be part of Great Northern TOC, but could possibly be transferred to another TOC Franchise, if the Franchise process remains with us. As for the Peterborough "Peak" services, I would suspect they would come under Thameslink at some point, but as to whether they carry on into Kings Cross is unknown. Once ECTS (presently available but unused through lack of trained drivers and 700 units actually switched on to use ECTS) is finally used in the core section through London, there will be provision of 32 pathways an hour each direction, so there is availability for some additional trains to pass through the core section at peak times.

However, do remember that Class 707s coming off lease from SWR when the Class 701s enter service, which could mean that Thameslink could introduce those to run the Kings Lynn services as opposed to the stressful and money costing platform extensions which are going to be needed should 12 car 700s be passed to run to Kings Lynn.

baitboy2004 in post 117786 said:

Giantray in post 117713 said:

northroad in post 117706 said:

Peter Bennet in post 117702 said:

baitboy2004 in post 117696 said:

The whole thing regarding Thameslink is that ALL the services currently operated by Great Northern (not including Moorgate services I think) are to be rerouted through the TL core (St. Pan. - Blackfriars) and that no-more trains operated by GTR currently will serve KGX. A video linked here will show you what I mean by "no-more trains operated by GTR will serve KGX". Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvvkkHywrhE

I think the video is slightly misleading, the trains referred too that currently go to Kings Cross are Thameslink branded and operated by 700 units. It is they that are going through the core eventually. What the video does not cover are the GN branded trains which are the 376, 365 and 717 operated services. The 717s, as you say generally going to MOG, and the 376 and the 365s operating Kings Lynn and the Peterborough peak trains.

Peter

I thought it was Class 387’s that were alongside the 365’s.

Kings Lynn was removed as being part of the Thameslink TOC because of its distance from London, the fact that 700s aren't permitted beyond Ely and also it would mean unnecessary Platform lengthening to accommodate 12 car 700s. There would be no 8 car 700s available as these are required for Sutton/Wimbledon and Luton-Medway Towns services. Thus Kings Lynn will be part of Great Northern TOC, but could possibly be transferred to another TOC Franchise, if the Franchise process remains with us. As for the Peterborough "Peak" services, I would suspect they would come under Thameslink at some point, but as to whether they carry on into Kings Cross is unknown. Once ECTS (presently available but unused through lack of trained drivers and 700 units actually switched on to use ECTS) is finally used in the core section through London, there will be provision of 32 pathways an hour each direction, so there is availability for some additional trains to pass through the core section at peak times.

However, do remember that Class 707s coming off lease from SWR when the Class 701s enter service, which could mean that Thameslink could introduce those to run the Kings Lynn services as opposed to the stressful and money costing platform extensions which are going to be needed should 12 car 700s be passed to run to Kings Lynn.

I highly doubt the 707s will go to TL. There's speculation of them going elsewhere but they have a worse power-to-weight ratio than the 700s, to the point at which a loaded test run with a motor isolated failed to make it up the bank through the canal tunnels!

Would 707s not have the same power issue as a 700? In such that sending one north of Ely causes the power supply to trip out.

But could NR upgrade the power supply on the OHLE north of Ely for the class 700s to allow for operation to Kings Lynn to happen?