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| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 21/03/2020 at 23:36 #123935 | |
VInce
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Hi all, Peterborough 1977 Mon Sat Version 1.3 has been uploaded and currently awaits approval. This version includes a work-around for the issue discussed here :- https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/50516 plus one or two other minor alterations. Will mods please delete Version 1.2 for which Version 1.3 is a direct replacement. Any problems, please use this thread. Thanks Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 21/03/2020 at 23:37 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Phil-jmw, BarryM, flabberdacks, phil1044, Mikhail |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 22/03/2020 at 14:31 #123947 | |
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VInce
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Hi all, Could I ask if one of the mods could deal with this please? Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 22/03/2020 at 14:44 by headshot119 Reason: Moderator with fat fingers Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 22/03/2020 at 14:43 #123948 | |
headshot119
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Be patient, it'll be dealt with when one of the mods has time.
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 22/03/2020 at 18:37 #123953 | |
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VInce
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Now approved, thank you. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 22/03/2020 at 18:54 #123954 | |
bugsy
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VInce in post 123953 said:Now approved, thank you.I've just downloaded this timetable and it's next om my list for games during self-isolation. Thanks Vince 
Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: VInce |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 16/04/2020 at 01:39 #125855 | |
Soton_Speed
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Issue that came out of the current KGX/PBO/CBG host was that 2P37EWD 0804 SMD-CBG has no rule to prevent it entering before its ECS working is able to reach Stamford. I take it 2B51 07:25 SMD-PBO has ECS working from Leicester direction? In Zone 6, no one can hear you scream... Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 16/04/2020 at 13:48 #125870 | |
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VInce
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Soton_Speed in post 125855 said:Issue that came out of the current KGX/PBO/CBG host was that 2P37EWD 0804 SMD-CBG has no rule to prevent it entering before its ECS working is able to reach Stamford.Erm... It has... ...and 2B51 0725 Stamford - Peterborough is formed off 6B60 0640 Peterborough - Stamford DMU parcels train. Are you sure you have the correct timetable thread? My Peterborough 1977 does NOT chain with anything else. It is entirely stand alone. See screenshots... If not, are you saying these rules aren't working?. i can't see anything wrong with them and they have always worked under test but I'm happy to run through it again to make sure. Vince  
Post has attachments. Log in to view them. I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 16/04/2020 at 15:04 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 16/04/2020 at 17:27 #125886 | |
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Soton_Speed
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Fair cop Vince. Think I only looked for a rule where 5P37 was the first train not the second. Having said that, the rule did not work as 2P37 passed 5P37 at Helpston - @chrisdmadd will have the saves as it was his host. In Zone 6, no one can hear you scream... Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 16/04/2020 at 18:08 #125891 | |
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VInce
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Ok, I'll check it out by deliberately delaying 5P37.... What day were you running....just a guess, was it Saturday? Regards Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 16/04/2020 at 18:21 #125892 | |
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Soton_Speed
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VInce in post 125891 said:Ok, I'll check it out by deliberately delaying 5P37....Nope, Wednesday. Allegedly. In Zone 6, no one can hear you scream... Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 16/04/2020 at 19:13 #125895 | |
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VInce
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Hi, I cant replicate this. I've tested three weekdays and Saturday and the results are consistent and the rule works. See attached. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 16/04/2020 at 19:15 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: chrisdmadd |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 16/04/2020 at 19:39 #125896 | |
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Soton_Speed
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VInce in post 125895 said:Hi,Thought that might be the case. Think the issue maybe outside the bailiwick of TT writers. Will see if I can get a couple of saves if any devs are following. In Zone 6, no one can hear you scream... Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 16/04/2020 at 20:33 #125899 | |
TimTamToe
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VInce in post 125895 said:Hi,Just a thought Vince, it wouldn't have anything to do with the OP saying Pboro was chained with KX and Cambs in case that somehow nullifies the rule? Gareth Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 16/04/2020 at 21:20 #125903 | |
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VInce
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Gareth, I don't know. But as I've said my timetable does not chain with anything. It was designed as a stand alone and that's how it works. It was based on a Fridays Only timetable created by Peter Bennett in the mists of time and whether that was designed to chain I don't know. Maybe Peter can remember. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 16/04/2020 at 23:32 #125910 | |
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chrisdmadd
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Heres the file as requested from 0730 Vinve on a sidenote thanks again for this TT. Its been great over the past week. *And although standalone it does chain very well to the KGX 1977 TT* Thanks. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Soton_Speed, VInce |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 17/04/2020 at 08:45 #125914 | |
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VInce
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chrisdmadd in post 125910 said:Heres the file as requested from 0730Chris. Thanks for this. I ran it twice. The first time as presented, the second, I deliberately delayed 5P37 so as it left Peterborough after the time the return working should enter at Ketton. Here's the results:- First time... 5P37 departed Peterborough 07:43:00 (6L) and passed Ketton at 07:58:04 (6L) 2P37 entered Ketton at 0813 (13L) immediately behind 6E43 Second time... 5P37 departed Peterborough 08:06:54 (30L) and passed Ketton 08:22:49 (31L) 2P37 entered at Ketton 08:36:49 (36L) - 5 mins additional due to the rule not allowing enough time. No problems there so I think you have become confused as to where the two Stamford starters originate, as per Soton_Speed's original message. 6B60 0640 DMU parcels Peterborough - Stamford forms 2B51 0725 Stamford - Peterborough 5P37 0736 Peterborough - Stamford forms 2P37 0804 Stamford - Cambridge In reality the actual moves are the outward train has to run beyond Stamford to Ketton to cross over. The sim does not allow "activities" at Stamford so I can't start a train from there. Thus the timetable shows the outward train running beyond Stamford to leave the area at Ketton and re-enter as the return working. The return working between Ketton and Stamford is actually an EDMU but I can't show it like that because of the sim limitation. So it actually shows as a passenger train from entering at Ketton although it is EDMU as far as Stamford. The only problem with the rule was that it didn't allow enough time. Even if 5P37 was on time, 2P37 would return late due to the rule. Hope that explains things. I was in Nottingham Divisional Control at the time this was happening and Ketton box reported to us, so I know this to be true. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 17/04/2020 at 09:03 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: bossman |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 17/04/2020 at 11:02 #125931 | |
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clive
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VInce in post 125914 said:That's because Stamford is plain line with no ability to do anything. You can't have activities are Arlesey for the same reason. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: VInce |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 17/04/2020 at 11:05 #125933 | |
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VInce
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Peter, Thank you. I understand, same as Torquay on the Exeter sim. SAGA trains started there (ECS from Goodrington. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 17/04/2020 at 11:10 #125935 | |
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Sacro
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clive in post 125931 said:VInce in post 125914 said:But you can in real life, that's the problem with using non-key locationsThat's because Stamford is plain line with no ability to do anything. You can't have activities are Arlesey for the same reason. Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 17/04/2020 at 16:31 #125961 | |
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Soton_Speed
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chrisdmadd in post 125910 said:Heres the file as requested from 0730CM, Do you have a save with both 5P37 and 2P37 in it? That's what sparked the original query. Vince, Would like to add my thanks for your efforts. In Zone 6, no one can hear you scream... Log in to reply The following user said thank you: VInce |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 18/04/2020 at 00:09 #125973 | |
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chrisdmadd
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Soton_Speed in post 125961 said:chrisdmadd in post 125910 said:The first snapshot I opened showed 5P37 leaving with no sight of 2P37.Heres the file as requested from 0730 Unfortunately though I made a bit of a schoolboy error and when I opened up the earlier snapshot I ran in for 30 mins and it saved over the other snapshots. I guess you learn something new everyday haha. Log in to reply |
| Peterborough 1977 Mon - Sat Version 1.3 Uploaded 28/07/2020 at 18:25 #130081 | |
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VInce
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Hi all, Whilst I do not intend this to become another "official" version (1.4?) of this timetable I have created a version which provides a work-around for the issue of trains being refused into Nene CS around 0400. It is certainly not a replacement for 1.3 so please do not delete Version 1.3. See this thread https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/51085 This was done by the simple expedient of giving the engine off 5B35 an entry time from Nene at 0402 instead of relying on a rule to determine its time of entry. This seems to reset the flag referred to in the thread and trains are thus accepted normally. The only caveat is that if 1B35/5B35 is very, very late (in excess of 90 mins) then the engine will be late. Peter will sort the issue out in due course, I'm sure. Please note that in line with this thread https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/51113 the timetable analyser will produce a large number of warnings. These warnings may be safely ignored and the timetable works well. Vince Post has attachments. Log in to view them. I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 28/07/2020 at 18:38 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: bugsy, bossman |