Delayed trains not operating TRTS

That is probably realistic, if the driver has spoken to the signaller to say they are ready to depart, they would not necessarily operate the TRTS as well.

That is probably realistic, if the driver has spoken to the signaller to say they are ready to depart, they would not necessarily operate the TRTS as well.

greatkingrat in post 129851 said:

That is probably realistic, if the driver has spoken to the signaller to say they are ready to depart, they would not necessarily operate the TRTS as well.

If there's TRTS and it's mandatory especially from a main station then it would be operated. I wouldn't leave Edinburgh, Glasgow cent/Qst, Aberdeen or Inverness without being TRTS.

There would have to be a very very clear understanding between Signaller, Driver, Guard and Dispatcher before allowing a train to leave a platform in case of a signal failure/tcf. but really we'd just be caped.

Hap in post 129855 said:

greatkingrat in post 129851 said:

That is probably realistic, if the driver has spoken to the signaller to say they are ready to depart, they would not necessarily operate the TRTS as well.

If there's TRTS and it's mandatory especially from a main station then it would be operated. I wouldn't leave Edinburgh, Glasgow cent/Qst, Aberdeen or Inverness without being TRTS.

There would have to be a very very clear understanding between Signaller, Driver, Guard and Dispatcher before allowing a train to leave a platform in case of a signal failure/tcf. but really we'd just be caped.

TRTS or use of RA indicator?

You can give RA without an Off indication at Piccadilly;

Splodge in post 129857 said:

You can give RA without an Off indication at Piccadilly;

That sounds like an accident waiting to happen...

greatkingrat in post 129851 said:

That is probably realistic, if the driver has spoken to the signaller to say they are ready to depart, they would not necessarily operate the TRTS as well.

If there's TRTS and it's mandatory especially from a main station then it would be operated. I wouldn't leave Edinburgh, Glasgow cent/Qst, Aberdeen or Inverness without being TRTS.

There would have to be a very very clear understanding between Signaller, Driver, Guard and Dispatcher before allowing a train to leave a platform in case of a signal failure/tcf. but really we'd just be caped.

Hap in post 129855 said:

greatkingrat in post 129851 said:

That is probably realistic, if the driver has spoken to the signaller to say they are ready to depart, they would not necessarily operate the TRTS as well.

If there's TRTS and it's mandatory especially from a main station then it would be operated. I wouldn't leave Edinburgh, Glasgow cent/Qst, Aberdeen or Inverness without being TRTS.

There would have to be a very very clear understanding between Signaller, Driver, Guard and Dispatcher before allowing a train to leave a platform in case of a signal failure/tcf. but really we'd just be caped.

What exactly do you mean by not leaving without TRTS? If the signalman sets the route and signal clears before TRTS has being operated then what do you do?
Peter

47417 in post 129865 said:

Splodge in post 129857 said:

You can give RA without an Off indication at Piccadilly;

That sounds like an accident waiting to happen...

Also very much not allowed by the interlocking [these days]. But given the strangeness of the TD at Picc, nothing surprises me any more.

Surely TRTS stands for Tea Ready To Sip :p.

Surely TRTS stands for Tea Ready To Sip

DriverCurran in post 129874 said:

Surely TRTS stands for Tea Ready To Sip :p.

"Train ready to stand" maybe Paul?

Peter Bennet in post 129868 said:

Hap in post 129855 said:

greatkingrat in post 129851 said:

That is probably realistic, if the driver has spoken to the signaller to say they are ready to depart, they would not necessarily operate the TRTS as well.

If there's TRTS and it's mandatory especially from a main station then it would be operated. I wouldn't leave Edinburgh, Glasgow cent/Qst, Aberdeen or Inverness without being TRTS.

There would have to be a very very clear understanding between Signaller, Driver, Guard and Dispatcher before allowing a train to leave a platform in case of a signal failure/tcf. but really we'd just be caped.

What exactly do you mean by not leaving without TRTS? If the signalman sets the route and signal clears before TRTS has being operated then what do you do?
Peter

First question to that is, why would the signaller clear the signal if they don't know that the train is ready to depart? If there's no driver in the cab at the time of pulling the signal off, signal sits off for X amount of minutes and the train doesn't move. signaller phones the platform coordinator who then finds out there's no driver on train. driver get's into cab and sets up the train and sees that the road is off, starts moving then the road is thrown back in front of him....

So I wouldn't expect a signal to clear from above stations without a dispatcher. Dispatcher would operate TRTS. Pretty certain over the last year or so now (maybe longer) that drivers aren't allowed to call themselves out of stations now, dispatcher must be there and TRTS must be operated. For the case of ECS dispatcher doesn't do anything other than operate TRTS, driver takes the road when it clears with no other interaction from platform staff.

If the signal was to clear and there was no dispatcher then I wouldn't be going anywhere. The signal won't be cleared by the signaller as (s)he doesn't know if there's a dispatcher on the platform. Signaller doesn't know if there's a full train crew on board.

The only place I can think of just now where there is TRTS and a dispatcher but you don't actually have to have either to proceed is Dundee. Although Dundee box are on top of things, sometimes the platform staff are there before the road is cleared and hit the TRTS. Other times they ain't there and the road is off. But Dundee isn't bound by the rules of having to have TRTS operated or for us to be dispatched.

Hap in post 129872 said:

Peter Bennet in post 129868 said:

Hap in post 129855 said:

greatkingrat in post 129851 said:

That is probably realistic, if the driver has spoken to the signaller to say they are ready to depart, they would not necessarily operate the TRTS as well.

If there's TRTS and it's mandatory especially from a main station then it would be operated. I wouldn't leave Edinburgh, Glasgow cent/Qst, Aberdeen or Inverness without being TRTS.

There would have to be a very very clear understanding between Signaller, Driver, Guard and Dispatcher before allowing a train to leave a platform in case of a signal failure/tcf. but really we'd just be caped.

What exactly do you mean by not leaving without TRTS? If the signalman sets the route and signal clears before TRTS has being operated then what do you do?
Peter

First question to that is, why would the signaller clear the signal if they don't know that the train is ready to depart? If there's no driver in the cab at the time of pulling the signal off, signal sits off for X amount of minutes and the train doesn't move. signaller phones the platform coordinator who then finds out there's no driver on train. driver get's into cab and sets up the train and sees that the road is off, starts moving then the road is thrown back in front of him....

So I wouldn't expect a signal to clear from above stations without a dispatcher. Dispatcher would operate TRTS. Pretty certain over the last year or so now (maybe longer) that drivers aren't allowed to call themselves out of stations now, dispatcher must be there and TRTS must be operated. For the case of ECS dispatcher doesn't do anything other than operate TRTS, driver takes the road when it clears with no other interaction from platform staff.

If the signal was to clear and there was no dispatcher then I wouldn't be going anywhere. The signal won't be cleared by the signaller as (s)he doesn't know if there's a dispatcher on the platform. Signaller doesn't know if there's a full train crew on board.

The only place I can think of just now where there is TRTS and a dispatcher but you don't actually have to have either to proceed is Dundee. Although Dundee box are on top of things, sometimes the platform staff are there before the road is cleared and hit the TRTS. Other times they ain't there and the road is off. But Dundee isn't bound by the rules of having to have TRTS operated or for us to be dispatched.

I understand that, but my question was based on Greatkingrat's original premise that the driver had spoken to the signalman, however unlikely that may have been. The way I read your reply was that you'd refuse to move unless TRTS had been triggered. I was seeking clarification of what that meant.

Peter

Just one small point to also make which I'm sure you already know but the TRTS doesn't need the track circuit to be occupied when pressed. Personally I think it shouldn't be possible but I have seen it first hand.

ajax103 in post 129920 said:

Just one small point to also make which I'm sure you already know but the TRTS doesn't need the track circuit to be occupied when pressed. Personally I think it shouldn't be possible but I have seen it first hand.

That entirely depends on the interlocking. Most do these days.

[Edit] Just checked the SSI data I have and all the TRTS require the platform track(s) occupied.