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Non-described train in berth X*** 10/12/2020 at 17:19 #134556
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721 posts 		It's possibly sim specific, but it's only started happening today with the 5.11 update.

On Motherwell 1990s mode, I'm getting numerous 'Non-described Train in Berth X***' messages. Most common is berth E521, which appears at the same time any train enters at Gretna Junction, but other locations include E544 (twice) and J705 so far up to 0055 in the 1993 timetable. These aren't seeded trains.

The message at E521 occurs at exactly the same time as trains entering at Gretna; the other locations encountered so far appear to be unrelated to the entry of trains or any other message at the same time.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 10/12/2020 at 17:29 #134557
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Non-described train in berth X*** 10/12/2020 at 20:46 #134573
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Non-described train in berth X*** 11/12/2020 at 00:13 #134578
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2158 posts 		Is it a Sim issue"

I have a similar issue in Edge Hill.

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Non-described train in berth X*** 11/12/2020 at 00:36 #134579
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4869 posts 		BarryM in post 134578 said:
Is it a Sim issue"

I have a similar issue in Edge Hill.

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If that's an issue with an NDA in LE404 berth, then that's been fixed and sorted. If it's not then please add some further detail.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 11/12/2020 at 11:03 #134587
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1199 posts 		I have a similar issue with Carlisle 1980era I keep getting "Non-described Train in Berth COUT" and that it pops up quite a lot. I can't confirm which berth or area its coming from at this moment but I can provide a save if requested.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 11/12/2020 at 11:08 #134588
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4869 posts 		HST125Scorton in post 134587 said:
I have a similar issue with Carlisle 1980era I keep getting "Non-described Train in Berth COUT" and that it pops up quite a lot. I can't confirm which berth or area its coming from at this moment but I can provide a save if requested.
That's in hand on Mantis for attention.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 11/12/2020 at 17:15 #134606
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Online 		HST125Scorton in post 134587 said:
I have a similar issue with Carlisle 1980era I keep getting "Non-described Train in Berth COUT" and that it pops up quite a lot. I can't confirm which berth or area its coming from at this moment but I can provide a save if requested.
COUT in general is an interesting side note. Some brands of train describer will just clear out a description that appears not have any use anymore (eg going in to a siding or yard with no shunter), But others step the description into a special COUT berth. Like the pearly gates or something?! I suppose a signaller could interrogate that berth to see find something that shouldn't have gone there, so perhaps a recycle bin analogy would be more appropriate.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 12/12/2020 at 17:21 #134646
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586 posts 		GeoffM in post 134606 said:

COUT in general is an interesting side note. Some brands of train describer will just clear out a description that appears not have any use anymore (eg going in to a siding or yard with no shunter), But others step the description into a special COUT berth. Like the pearly gates or something?! I suppose a signaller could interrogate that berth to see find something that shouldn't have gone there, so perhaps a recycle bin analogy would be more appropriate.
I've just had the COUT warning as well, on the Manchester East sim. Save attached from just after the warning. It seemed to be 6M09 crossing over to Stockport.
EDIT: It happens consistently for every train that crosses over to Stockport.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 12/12/2020 at 18:47 #134653
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1315 posts 		GeoffM in post 134606 said:
But others step the description into a special COUT berth. Like the pearly gates or something?!
Corby Gates?

That track only has light traffic on it, 1-2 trains per hour per direction in TTs of most eras (though a bit busier in the Penmanshiel diversion TT), so it shouldn't generate a large amount of errors.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 12/12/2020 at 18:51 #134654
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Online 		Albert in post 134653 said:
GeoffM in post 134606 said:
But others step the description into a special COUT berth. Like the pearly gates or something?!
Corby Gates?

That track only has light traffic on it, 1-2 trains per hour per direction in TTs of most eras (though a bit busier in the Penmanshiel diversion TT), so it shouldn't generate a large amount of errors.
I think the guv'nor may have been referring to the pearly gates of Heaven, but I'm glad to see your mind is fixed on railways where it belongs
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Non-described train in berth X*** 12/12/2020 at 19:15 #134658
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1315 posts 		Thanks, I now get it. Although I'm not so sure that the railway is 'where it belongs' more than Heaven but that's off-topic ;)

More of a language issue for me, I am more likely to recognise Biblical references when people write in my native Dutch and rather think of railways when it's in English.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 12/12/2020 at 19:24 #134659
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Online 		TUT in post 134654 said:
Albert in post 134653 said:
GeoffM in post 134606 said:
But others step the description into a special COUT berth. Like the pearly gates or something?!
Corby Gates?

That track only has light traffic on it, 1-2 trains per hour per direction in TTs of most eras (though a bit busier in the Penmanshiel diversion TT), so it shouldn't generate a large amount of errors.
I think the guv'nor may have been referring to the pearly gates of Heaven, but I'm glad to see your mind is fixed on railways where it belongs :P
Yes, sorry Albert. My warped thinking was along the lines of where old train descriptions go to die.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 19/12/2020 at 21:01 #134928
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2158 posts 		I have attached a text file of messages from the latest Kings Cross session showing No-described signals on the Up from Peterborough.

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Non-described train in berth X*** 20/12/2020 at 13:51 #134950
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1315 posts 		There appears to be one berth on Swindon A&B generating this message, berth 0248 (the second signal at the western exit of Cocklebury Sidings.)
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Non-described train in berth X*** 21/12/2020 at 05:14 #135014
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377 posts 		Albert in post 134950 said:
There appears to be one berth on Swindon A&B generating this message, berth 0248 (the second signal at the western exit of Cocklebury Sidings.)
You'll get it coming out of Down Sidings onto the Down Main too.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 21/12/2020 at 10:14 #135015
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1315 posts 		Do you mean Down Yard? Down Sidings only connects to the parcel siding.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 21/12/2020 at 13:12 #135018
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377 posts 		Albert in post 135015 said:
Do you mean Down Yard? Down Sidings only connects to the parcel siding.
Indeed I do. Thanks
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Non-described train in berth X*** 22/12/2020 at 20:31 #135057
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1795 posts 		DELETED Found the answer in the Wiki
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Non-described train in berth X*** 25/12/2020 at 09:35 #135256
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5 posts 		Same happening in Moss Vale Sim as well.

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Non-described train in berth X*** 25/12/2020 at 13:30 #135271
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586 posts 		Trains routed from S660 to S938 on King's cross, incorrectly generate this message with berth 0939.

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Non-described train in berth X*** 27/12/2020 at 12:53 #135433
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1315 posts 		Albert in post 134950 said:
There appears to be one berth on Swindon A&B generating this message, berth 0248 (the second signal at the western exit of Cocklebury Sidings.)
Berth 0231 does so too. Appears to have something to do with intermediate signals on shunt routes at Swindon.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 27/12/2020 at 15:10 #135446
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1315 posts 		whatlep in post 135014 said:
Albert in post 134950 said:
There appears to be one berth on Swindon A&B generating this message, berth 0248 (the second signal at the western exit of Cocklebury Sidings.)
You'll get it coming out of Down Sidings onto the Down Main too.
Can't reproduce this from Down Yard to Down Main (Parcels platform era). The identity is not interposed automatically - in that case a non-described error is the sensible thing to do!
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Non-described train in berth X*** 28/12/2020 at 15:15 #135475
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586 posts 		Albert in post 135446 said:
whatlep in post 135014 said:
Albert in post 134950 said:
There appears to be one berth on Swindon A&B generating this message, berth 0248 (the second signal at the western exit of Cocklebury Sidings.)
You'll get it coming out of Down Sidings onto the Down Main too.
Can't reproduce this from Down Yard to Down Main (Parcels platform era). The identity is not interposed automatically - in that case a non-described error is the sensible thing to do!
Except not when the berth has been filled manually already. That's what annoys me the most about this warning message.
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Non-described train in berth X*** 28/12/2020 at 16:02 #135477
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5306 posts 		Dionysusnu in post 135271 said:
Trains routed from S660 to S938 on King's cross, incorrectly generate this message with berth 0939.

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