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6EXX trains 12/01/2021 at 15:57 #136287
Guts
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604 posts 		I'm playing Edge Hill, 2015-04-08 Timetable, and I've had a couple of 6EXX (6E36 and 6E05) trains which are timetabled as Tuebrook Sdgs - Drax but their routes have been towards Strand whereas their routes should be towards Huyton and onto Warrington, but there is no forward service on Huyton and Warrington to reflect this either.

Strand Road is the route to Liverpool Dock and there is no another route towards Drax from there.
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6EXX trains 12/01/2021 at 16:36 #136291
Meld
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1111 posts 		????

Try running the timetable longer before you start making incorrect assumptions
Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!!
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6EXX trains 12/01/2021 at 16:44 #136292
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Online 		A casual glance at 6E05 shows it going to from tuebrook to bootle, then to wrapping and finally onwards to weaver junction. Its spread over multiple schedules but there's nothing wrong. Its just a very long timetable.
"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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6EXX trains 13/01/2021 at 13:55 #136341
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604 posts 		Meld in post 136291 said:
????

Try running the timetable longer before you start making incorrect assumptions
I've seen there's 3 sections of the train. I've also seen there are no rules for any of them so they appear when they want. Had 6E36 come out of Tuebrook 1h47 late but the section from Wapping then gave on 5mins later.

My question was because it does not see like normal practice according to TRUST.

TCTRW87 T R U S T TRJC Enquiry Output 13/01/21 13:51 Page 1.. of 7
COMMAND ==>
TRUST Train Enquiry at 13:51 13/01/21

366E36C113 01:55 LVRPTMLGB to DRAX GBRF 13/01/21


Booked Actual Applicable Timetable Service
arr dep arr dep
LVRPTMLGB 01:55 01:47M 8 EARLY
RGNTSRD X 02:05 02:07 N/R N/R
BOOTLE JN 02:11 02:02M 9 EARLY
EDGELANEJ 02:26 02:03A 23 EARLY
BOOTLE BJ 02:28 02:06A 22 EARLY
TUEBRKSGB 02:31 02:56 N/R N/R
BOOTLE BJ 02:57H 02:48A 9 EARLY
LPOOL OMJ 02:59 02:50A 9 EARLY
ROBY 03:03H 02:55A 8 EARLY
HUYTON 03:04 02:56A 8 EARLY W LINE
RAINHILL 03:10 03:01A N/R 9 EARLY ARR
End of report

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Snide remarks don't work with me. Stop taking questions personal.
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6EXX trains 13/01/2021 at 14:09 #136342
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4869 posts 		This is how the trains where timed back in 2015, I've just checked in the database we use.

If you run "TRJC 0F37 13" you'll see these days the schedule has been split between Tuebrook and the Biomass terminal.
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
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6EXX trains 13/01/2021 at 16:05 #136356
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Online 		Guts in post 136341 said:

I've seen there's 3 sections of the train. I've also seen there are no rules for any of them so they appear when they want. Had 6E36 come out of Tuebrook 1h47 late but the section from Wapping then gave on 5mins later.

My question was because it does not see like normal practice according to TRUST.
In fairness to John, you didn't mention any of this in your initial report, you just stated they ran to Bootle with no onward working to Huyton rather than saying you could see they then run via Weaver junction rather than Huyton which seems unusual.
"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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6EXX trains 13/01/2021 at 17:29 #136369
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604 posts 		jc92 in post 136356 said:
Guts in post 136341 said:

I've seen there's 3 sections of the train. I've also seen there are no rules for any of them so they appear when they want. Had 6E36 come out of Tuebrook 1h47 late but the section from Wapping then gave on 5mins later.

My question was because it does not see like normal practice according to TRUST.
In fairness to John, you didn't mention any of this in your initial report, you just stated they ran to Bootle with no onward working to Huyton rather than saying you could see they then run via Weaver junction rather than Huyton which seems unusual.
I never post messages to offend, No.1 but also No.2, I did say they should IMHO be sent towards Huyton, but I mentioned Huyton and Warrington Sims because there isn't a forward service on these Sims either.
It was a query, because to my signalling brain the train cannot complete it journey via Strand Road.
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6EXX trains 13/01/2021 at 17:41 #136370
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6EXX trains 13/01/2021 at 17:49 #136372
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4869 posts 		MarkC in post 136370 said:
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I think the confusion over where the train should go has arisen from Guts looking up the 2021 version of 6E36 which does appear to be booked via the Olive Mount Curve and Huyton, vs the version in the 2015 timetable which was booked via Runcorn.
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
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6EXX trains 13/01/2021 at 17:50 #136373
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Online 		Guts in post 136369 said:

It was a query, because to my signalling brain the train cannot complete it journey via Strand Road.
even though you've confirmed you could already see the return working from Strand road to Wapping, and the onward working towards weaver.
"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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6EXX trains 22/01/2021 at 03:34 #136665
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604 posts 		jc92 in post 136373 said:
Guts in post 136369 said:

It was a query, because to my signalling brain the train cannot complete it journey via Strand Road.
even though you've confirmed you could already see the return working from Strand road to Wapping, and the onward working towards weaver.
As I said before, my brain says that it should travel via it's most direct route which would be via Hutyton. For the train to travel via Strand Road, doesn't make sense to me unless there is a T3 Possession blocking that route or for operational reasons like dropping off an engine at Strand Road.
In my experience, FOC's don't make or plan wasted journeys that cost them drivers hours and fuel.

headshot has already explained it's the literal difference between 2015 and 2021.

I'm going to look at the engine, but these type of moves make sense, in terms of driver refreshing and also a move to drop off an engine or two.
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6EXX trains 22/01/2021 at 09:09 #136666
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202 posts 		Biomass is loaded for Drax at Liverpool Docks so could it be that they are empty to the docks and then loaded from?
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6EXX trains 22/01/2021 at 10:52 #136669
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1111 posts 		Having checked the weekly operating notice

The 2015 timetable reflects the operations as per Items 50 & 51 from 2245 7th to 0515 8th April and 2245 8th to 0515 9th April

All line posession between :

Earlestown East Jn & Bootle Branch Jcn
Earlestown South Jn & Earlestown West Jn
Edge Lane Jn & Olive Mount Jn
Huyton Jn & Prescot.

Traffic Remarks.

Freight Services to Divert via Wapping (R/R) and Ditton/Latchford for WCML
Trains to be diverted via Warrington Central or Stockport and Northwich or Latchford (R/R) and Ditton.
Northern 2F25 1H40 & 1F90 to be cancelled or diverted via CLC route

Items 44 & 46 on the same nights was for Up & Down Slow lines between Wavertree Jn & Speke Jn SB from 2230 to 0500

Hence the 6E's running in and out of sim like they do
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