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A very dumb driver. 29/08/2022 at 13:07 #147764
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Here, we have train 2G40, running over 30 minutes late. 2A18 is waiting to join to 2G40, but 2G40 refuses to pull forward to join to 2A18, despite the shunt signal being set. The train status keeps changing between "Waiting for joining train 2A18", "Train 2A18 in front", and "Moving at 0 mph". Any ideas? Timetable is November 2020.


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A very dumb driver. 29/08/2022 at 13:27 #147765
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marychristmaseverybody in post 147764 said:
Here, we have train 2G40, running over 30 minutes late. 2A18 is waiting to join to 2G40, but 2G40 refuses to pull forward to join to 2A18, despite the shunt signal being set. The train status keeps changing between "Waiting for joining train 2A18", "Train 2A18 in front", and "Moving at 0 mph". Any ideas? Timetable is November 2020.

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A very dumb driver. 29/08/2022 at 14:16 #147766
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Just going off the posted pic, the signal is cleared for 2G40 to proceed towards 2A18, when actually 2G40 is waiting for 2A18 to attach to it, so the position light in the opposite direction should be cleared, surely?
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A very dumb driver. 29/08/2022 at 14:24 #147767
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Phil-jmw in post 147766 said:
Just going off the posted pic, the signal is cleared for 2G40 to proceed towards 2A18, when actually 2G40 is waiting for 2A18 to attach to it, so the position light in the opposite direction should be cleared, surely?
In this case not, as 2A18 has already stopped in the platform and is waiting to join to 2G40. If 2G40 was running on time then you would be correct.

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A very dumb driver. 29/08/2022 at 14:25 #147768
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postal in post 147765 said:
marychristmaseverybody in post 147764 said:
Here, we have train 2G40, running over 30 minutes late. 2A18 is waiting to join to 2G40, but 2G40 refuses to pull forward to join to 2A18, despite the shunt signal being set. The train status keeps changing between "Waiting for joining train 2A18", "Train 2A18 in front", and "Moving at 0 mph". Any ideas? Timetable is November 2020.

A saved game would be a lot more help than a screen shot.

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A very dumb driver. 29/08/2022 at 15:21 #147769
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marychristmaseverybody in post 147767 said:
Phil-jmw in post 147766 said:
Just going off the posted pic, the signal is cleared for 2G40 to proceed towards 2A18, when actually 2G40 is waiting for 2A18 to attach to it, so the position light in the opposite direction should be cleared, surely?
In this case not, as 2A18 has already stopped in the platform and is waiting to join to 2G40. If 2G40 was running on time then you would be correct.
Regardless, the F2 window clearly states 2G40 waiting for joining train 2A18, so 2G40 will never move.

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A very dumb driver. 29/08/2022 at 15:41 #147770
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Phil-jmw in post 147769 said:
marychristmaseverybody in post 147767 said:
Phil-jmw in post 147766 said:
Just going off the posted pic, the signal is cleared for 2G40 to proceed towards 2A18, when actually 2G40 is waiting for 2A18 to attach to it, so the position light in the opposite direction should be cleared, surely?
In this case not, as 2A18 has already stopped in the platform and is waiting to join to 2G40. If 2G40 was running on time then you would be correct.
Regardless, the F2 window clearly states 2G40 waiting for joining train 2A18, so 2G40 will never move.
It doesn't just say that. If you play the saved simulation, it flicks between the messages that I contained in my initial post.

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A very dumb driver. 29/08/2022 at 16:22 #147771
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Reversing 2A18 to the starter signal sorts this out, it's a quirk of SimSig if the trains arrive out of order.
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A very dumb driver. 30/08/2022 at 09:44 #147777
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Maybe also a bit of real life. If you were the driver of the 'first' train would you go and join anything in the same platform on the assumption it was the 'second' train ?
The 'second' train could be even later.
So a level of manual intervention is not unreasonable.
It is also more likely to manifest itself at 'complex' stations (New St. Edinburgh) than simpler ones (Glasgow QS, Westbury)

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A very dumb driver. 01/09/2022 at 19:35 #147797
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Also, the 2 trains may be different types of unit and (to my totally non-knowledge) the driver may not be signed to drive the front unit, or the following aspects of both trains diagrams may require the 2A18 unit to depart 1st from the rear of the joined train at it's destination.
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