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Working Timetable question 17/02/2023 at 17:54 #150511
ajax103
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Greetings all,

I've found a copy of the working timetable CB dated September to December 2004 which covers services from Euston to Tring and I've came across a timing type that I'm not too sure if I'm right or not.

Basically some trains say 11087385, some trains have 10086385 or HST8-110 now that being said would I be right in thinking that those timing types mean the following:

11087385:

Max Speed is 110mph
Traction Type is Class 87
Length of train is 385m

I'm sure it is the case but I just want to be absolutely sure.

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Working Timetable question 17/02/2023 at 18:00 #150513
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Timing load = 385 tons, not length

Means a standard WCML mk3 set, DVT + 8 x mk3
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Bill

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Working Timetable question 17/02/2023 at 18:03 #150514
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Afternoon,

11087385 = max speed 110, hauled by a Cl.87/Cl.90, 385 is tonnage - usually 8 Mk3s+Mk3 DVT
10086385 = max speed 100, hauled by Cl.86/2, Cl.87 or Cl.90, usually 5/6 Mk2s+Mk3 Buffet+2/3 Mk2s+Mk3 DVT (formations differed)
HST8-110 = 2+8 timed at 110, although capable of 125.

HTH

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Working Timetable question 17/02/2023 at 18:59 #150517
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Thank you all for correcting me, much appreciated.
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Working Timetable question 18/02/2023 at 01:16 #150522
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I appreciate the answer has been given, but to add to them,there should be an explanatory notes table near the front which explains the timing load breakdown, as by that time there were also some confusing ones introduced for freight as well.
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Working Timetable question 18/02/2023 at 09:22 #150524
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jc92 in post 150522 said:
I appreciate the answer has been given, but to add to them,there should be an explanatory notes table near the front which explains the timing load breakdown, as by that time there were also some confusing ones introduced for freight as well.
That is correct. If you refer to page CB3 of the said timetable the explanatory note is at the top of the page under the heading “Timing loads in Working Timetables”
The explanation of HST8 can be found at the bottom page CB5 meaning a HST set of 8 carriages and it’s speed.

Geoff

Last edited: 18/02/2023 at 09:43 by northroad
Reason: HST explanation added

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