Custom Dwell Time Database

Ive been thinking when playing some sims recently, there's nothing more frustrating for me than seeing a fully loaded 11 car pendolino pull into a terminus on sim, de-train, de-stock, re-stock, get cleaned, change crew and then board in 4 minutes and TRTS. I understand its up to the TT creator to have full knowledge of each traction type, which can be difficult.
I would like to see a database (spreadsheet) that would show suggested Dwell times for timetable creators who maybe dont have the operational, local or set knowledge and would suggest realistic timings to be used. It would be open to all of the SimSig community to add their own knowledge too of course and could be updated accordingly.

I can offer a start with my knowledge of 14X, 15X, 180, HST, MK3, MK4, MK5 sets, 80x sets.

Would this be something timetable writers would be interested in utilising if available?

Ive been thinking when playing some sims recently, there's nothing more frustrating for me than seeing a fully loaded 11 car pendolino pull into a terminus on sim, de-train, de-stock, re-stock, get cleaned, change crew and then board in 4 minutes and TRTS. I understand its up to the TT creator to have full knowledge of each traction type, which can be difficult.
I would like to see a database (spreadsheet) that would show suggested Dwell times for timetable creators who maybe dont have the operational, local or set knowledge and would suggest realistic timings to be used. It would be open to all of the SimSig community to add their own knowledge too of course and could be updated accordingly.

I can offer a start with my knowledge of 14X, 15X, 180, HST, MK3, MK4, MK5 sets, 80x sets.

Would this be something timetable writers would be interested in utilising if available?

Another TPR example

The overall reversal time for a 390 9/11 car is 15 minutes except Wolverhampton where its 30 minutes.
Any join/divide for a LNWR 350 is 9 minutes.

As Karl mentioned these timings are what TT planners must allow in planning a schedule and not reflect the on the ground practicality.

Meld in post 151494 said:

Another TPR example

The overall reversal time for a 390 9/11 car is 15 minutes except Wolverhampton where its 30 minutes.
Any join/divide for a LNWR 350 is 9 minutes.

As Karl mentioned these timings are what TT planners must allow in planning a schedule and not reflect the on the ground practicality.

For 390s the immobilise time is 5 minutes, and the mobilise time is 10 minutes. So theoretically 15 minutes is possible (if using two separate drivers as when remanning takes longer) from a drivers perspective but at Euston you are never going to deboard and board in 15 minutes. A real world fairly typical example from last week when my train came in 12 minutes before departure. We left 15L and that was without a revenue block or proper cleaning, and yes sometimes they do a revenue block on delayed trains!

eps125 in post 151497 said:

Meld in post 151494 said:

Another TPR example

The overall reversal time for a 390 9/11 car is 15 minutes except Wolverhampton where its 30 minutes.
Any join/divide for a LNWR 350 is 9 minutes.

As Karl mentioned these timings are what TT planners must allow in planning a schedule and not reflect the on the ground practicality.

For 390s the immobilise time is 5 minutes, and the mobilise time is 10 minutes. So theoretically 15 minutes is possible (if using two separate drivers as when remanning takes longer) from a drivers perspective but at Euston you are never going to deboard and board in 15 minutes. A real world fairly typical example from last week when my train came in 12 minutes before departure. We left 15L and that was without a revenue block or proper cleaning, and yes sometimes they do a revenue block on delayed trains!

Well regarding Pendolinos, I've seen it done numerous times in only 9mins, average 12mins, when I was a Signalman at Wembley Mainline.
The Engine Arranger would liase with the Forward driver and get him in position; Cleaning of a Pendolino is done on route, not on arrival, which quickens turnaround. They would stage the Catering on the platform ready for a quick changeover, the passengers would be told just as it arrives.

While a spreadsheet is a good idea can I ask that it not placed into the core code as this would have big implications for those of us that create sims without the new types of EMU & DMU's or if it is then can it be ear specific so that it will not stop BR/Early Privatised era Timetables from being done.

Also against what is on a diagram can be done quicker that what is printed on paper. I know from my experience from coupling a locos to wagons and uncoupling it can be done a lot quicker than the 3mins that is printed in real life a minute tops for doing both tasks.

Delta Zero Seven

0D07 in post 152185 said:

While a spreadsheet is a good idea can I ask that it not placed into the core code as this would have big implications for those of us that create sims without the new types of EMU & DMU's or if it is then can it be ear specific so that it will not stop BR/Early Privatised era Timetables from being done.

Also against what is on a diagram can be done quicker that what is printed on paper. I know from my experience from coupling a locos to wagons and uncoupling it can be done a lot quicker than the 3mins that is printed in real life a minute tops for doing both tasks.

Delta Zero Seven

I'm with you on this as I don't think it would be best placed into core code. I'm still experimenting with modern DMU/EMUs on my own timetables. I have my locos uncouple/couple within in 1min as seen in real life. As most replies this is more of what actually happens against what happens within timetables in SimSig.

HST125Scorton in post 152186 said:

0D07 in post 152185 said:

While a spreadsheet is a good idea can I ask that it not placed into the core code as this would have big implications for those of us that create sims without the new types of EMU & DMU's or if it is then can it be ear specific so that it will not stop BR/Early Privatised era Timetables from being done.

Also against what is on a diagram can be done quicker that what is printed on paper. I know from my experience from coupling a locos to wagons and uncoupling it can be done a lot quicker than the 3mins that is printed in real life a minute tops for doing both tasks.

Delta Zero Seven

I'm with you on this as I don't think it would be best placed into core code. I'm still experimenting with modern DMU/EMUs on my own timetables. I have my locos uncouple/couple within in 1min as seen in real life. As most replies this is more of what actually happens against what happens within timetables in SimSig.

Something to bear in mind when coupling is what the brake test and/or pull-away test requirements are. For example, at the pres line I volunteer at, we're required to do a continuity test after coupling up- so while a fast footplate crew could be finished 'underneath' within a minute, it still takes another minute or two for a driver to create a brake and for me to walk to the other end of the train, destroy the brake then get into position ready for dispatch. The latter part isn't immediately apparent to a casual observer. Of course, the requirements vary depending on the period and company operating the train.