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| Unable to route NS243 Holiday Street Tunnel to Birmingham P7 03/01/2024 at 21:04 #154963 | |
Underwood
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How do you route a train from Signal NS243 to Birmingham P7? I have tried using via point 'B', 'C' and 'D' but every time I get told 'Via Buttons are mandatory for this route'..but I have, and I'm routing it to NS193 but keeps telling me to use via points...which I am but doesn't like it. In the end I just locked the points and sent it through on red. Any suggestions please? Log in to reply |
| Unable to route NS243 Holiday Street Tunnel to Birmingham P7 03/01/2024 at 21:07 #154964 | |
Hap
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You should be able to route from NS243 via B AND C to NS193. Hopefully that works for you Ta Craig How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Underwood |
| Unable to route NS243 Holiday Street Tunnel to Birmingham P7 03/01/2024 at 21:08 #154965 | |
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TUT
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'B', 'C' and 'D'? Why 'D' as well? Try just NS243 to 'B' to 'C' to NS193, that should work straight away.
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| Unable to route NS243 Holiday Street Tunnel to Birmingham P7 03/01/2024 at 21:28 #154966 | |
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Underwood
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Hap in post 154964 said:You should be able to route from NS243 via B AND C to NS193. Hopefully that works for youAhhh I see of course! Stupid moment sorry, just tried it, works wonders thank you very much! TUT - Sorry didn't write that well, when I say B C and D I meant I tried each one individually, (Via NS243 - A - NS193, NS243 - B - NS193 etc) I knew D wouldn't work but just tried them all to report what I tried 
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| Unable to route NS243 Holiday Street Tunnel to Birmingham P7 03/01/2024 at 22:18 #154967 | |
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TUT
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Underwood in post 154966 said:Hap in post 154964 said:I thought someone like you couldn't have made such a mistake - that makes much more sense.You should be able to route from NS243 via B AND C to NS193. Hopefully that works for youAhhh I see of course! Stupid moment sorry, just tried it, works wonders thank you very much! For what it's worth, I don't really like via buttons myself either. I'm sure, like anything, if you worked the real panel you'd soon get used to them and then start to make the most of them, but when picking up a new sim they're a bit of a nightmare and unless you play the same one for hours and hours and hours the next time you try and pick the sim back up they're every bit as annoying as before. Which is of course not a criticism of SimSig (via buttons should be in the sim if they're on the panel) nor really of via buttons. They're just a cause of frustration for me too! Log in to reply |
| Unable to route NS243 Holiday Street Tunnel to Birmingham P7 03/01/2024 at 22:28 #154968 | |
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JamesN
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A quirk of the way such interlockings were designed - you couldn’t skip over a via button; if it was in the route it needed to be pushed.
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| Unable to route NS243 Holiday Street Tunnel to Birmingham P7 04/01/2024 at 00:40 #154969 | |
GeoffM
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JamesN in post 154968 said:A quirk of the way such interlockings were designed - you couldn’t skip over a via button; if it was in the route it needed to be pushed.That's exactly it, on this particular brand and version of interlocking anyway (IIRC, Westpac I). If a via button is along the line of route, use it. Doncaster station, on the other hand, well I didn't have much hair to begin with and I certainly don't have much left after developing and testing that one! SimSig Boss Log in to reply The following user said thank you: flabberdacks |
| Unable to route NS243 Holiday Street Tunnel to Birmingham P7 07/01/2024 at 13:57 #154993 | |
Izzy
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A quick note about how this worked in reality at Derby - you could press the entrance, and then the exit, but the route wouldn't set until you press the valid via button. So you could set entrance - intermediate - exit, or entrance - exit - intermediate, and either order worked. I understand this may not be possible in SimSig, but in real life it was certainly handy if you forgot to use the intemediate exit, or for learning the panel in the first place. I only know this for sure at Derby (i was Box T.O. there for a number of years) - but if it were possible to code, it would certainly make it a bit easier in SimSig. Another quirk was that you could set any route (in the DY interlocking) and press a via button - it would get used if needed or ignored when the route actually set. Again, maybe a bit tough to put in SimSig, just a note on how it was in real life. One more quirk of Derby - 430 signal was not there when the box was first commissioned, it was actually a via button ("A"  - and was relocked for a signal to make the latout a little more flexible. It made the actual interlocking wiring of 430 quite odd, and was quite interesting (stressful) to work on when it failed, and you didn't know about it's history and non-standardness. This resulted in "A" buttons on Derby either being intermediate exits or auto buttons - they were distinguished by a blue bezel for an auto button, or a dark purple coloured bezel for the intermediate exit (another inconsequential slight difference from SimSig).Back to topic - i cant say for sure about anywhere else, as i am not as intimately acquanited with every interlocking - but i supect all of the early Westpac versions would have worked like this, as 1, 2, 3 and 3a were very similar in how they worked (with a few different relay names). Not sure about 4 and 4a, as they were a very big change to how the interlocking sequenced itself, so the free-wiring might have been a bit different for via buttons (if, indeed any 4/4a had a via button). The GEC family of geographicals or free wired spec.850 interlockings, i have no idea how via buttons worked as i never worked for any time on one that had this provision. Interestingly though - the GEC gepgraphical actually had intermediate exits in mind (a via button is the control for what is correctly termed an intermediate exit), and if you look at the technician's overhead displays between the racks, you will actually see a light that indiciates "int exit registered", as it was all part of the geographical standard wiring, unlike in westpac (at least the ones i am familiar with), where it was free wired. I just remember how Derby worked because it was wierd when you pressed an entrance then an exit, and the entrance just kept flashing at you as though it hadn't seen the exit button (but it had). Press the via button (or "give it some oil" as the signallers used to say there) and the route would set. It was a very handy characteristic, unlike in SimSig where the whole route fails and you have to try again. Similarly, you could use a via button if you weren't sure, and the route would set whether it was needed or not - the interlocking registered the button press and would use it if needed in the route or, just reset it if it didn't when the selected route set. This isn't a criticism, just a note on how the real thing worked. Anyway, i'll stop rambling on now. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: mldaureol, Dionysusnu, sunocske |