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| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 10/03/2024 at 19:44 #155660 | |
58050
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Now that v1.5 of the Warrington sim has been publically rreleased I have now submitted my Warrington summer 1992 TT for moderators approval & will be available to download once it has been approved under user contributed in the downloads section. Here's a copy of what's shown under the 'General' tab for this timetable. This timetable contains 1184 trains in it & can be very challenging at times for those who enjoy running BR era timetables. I hope all of you who play it enjoy it. This timetable has been created using the following documents:- WORKING TIME TABLE of PASSENGER, PARCELS, FREIGHT & DEPARTMENTAL TRAIN SERVICES Section CE MANCHESTER AREA. MANCHESTER to LIVERPOOL. CREWE to HOLYHEAD and BRANCHES. CARNFORTH to BARROW 11 May 1992 to 27 September 1992 WORKING TIME TABLE of PASSENGER, PARCELS, FREIGHT & DEPARTMENTAL TRAIN SERVICES Section CB EUSTON and PRESTON (via TRENT VALLEY line) to PRESTON WEAVER JUNCTION to LIVERPOOL DERBY and STAFFORD to CREWE and MACCLESFIELD 11 May 1992 to 27 September 1992 Warrington Bank Quay Arrival & Departure Book 11th May to 27th September, 1992. Wigan North Western Arrival & Departure Book 11th May to 27th September, 1992. British Rail London Midland Region Trip Notice West Coast main Line (north) & North Wales 08th July 1991 & 1992 until further notice. East Midlands Freight Freight Trains Loads Book December, 1990. Bescot Area Freight Loads Book from 15th October, 1991. Eastern Region Freight trains Loads Book 04th October, 1993 until further notice. LNEZ & Railtrack Midlands freight train loads books 1996. Rail Express Systems Train Service Guide 1993 for Mail, Parcels & Postal services as well as Empty NPCCS services. Immingham & Tinsley Depot Loco Diagrams. Loco Pools used in this timetable. DCHA - Civil Engineer Scotrail main line locos DCMA - Civil Engineer LM Cl.47 locos DCMB - Civil Engineer London Midland Bescot Cl.31 locos DCMC - Civil Engineer LM Crewe Cl.31 Locos FABI - Traonload Construction Immingham locos based at Buxton FEKK - Power Station Coal Cl.37 Cardiff locos FHBK - Coal Cardiff Cl.37 locos FPBI - Trainload Petroleum Crewe Diesel Locos FPCI - Trainload Petroleum Immingham Locos FEHN - Power Station Coal Cl.60 North West FEDN - Power Station Coal Cl.56 Yorkshire\x0D\x0A\ FEGN - Power Station Coal - Cl.20 North West Locos ICCA - InterCity Cross Country services electric locos ICCP - InterCity Cross Country HST services LA or PM sets ICCS - InterCity Cross Country HST services EC sets ILRA - InterCity Bristol Cl.47/4 locos [Extended Range] IWCA - InterCity West Coast electric locos IWPA - InterCity Euston to West Midlands services electric locos MDMC - RfD Cl.90/1 locos MDNC - RfD Cl.86/6 & Cl.87/1 locos IWCA - WCML electric locos MDMC - Crewe Cl.90/1 MDDT - Tinsley Cl.47 (twin tank) MDAT - Tinsley Cl.47 MDWT - Tinsley Cl.47 restructed use FPBI - Petroleum Crewe Diesel Locos FMAK - Metals Cardiff Cl.37 locos FMCK - Metals Cardiff Cl.56 FEGN - Power Station Coal Cl.20 North West Locos MDRT - Tinsley Refurbish Cl.37 ILRA - Bristol Cl.47/4 extended range locos FHBK - Coal Cl.37 Cardiff FHAC - Nuclear Flask Traffic Crewe Diesel Cl.31 FMEK - Metals Cardiff Cl.60 IWCA - InterCity WCML Electric Locos ICCP - Cross Country LA or PM Cl.43 ICCA - Cross Country Electric Locos IWPA - Euston - West Midlands Services Locos MDAT - Railfreight Distribution Tinsley Cl.47 locos MDDT - Railfreight Distribution Tinsley Cl.47 locos [Extended Range] MDMC - Railfreight Distribution Cl.90/1 locos MDNC - Railfreight Distribution Cl.86/6 & Cl.87/1 locos MDRL - Laira Refurbished Cl.37 (based at St. Blazey PNHX - Provincial - Newton Heath T&RSMD units PNLX - Provincial - Neville Hill T&RSMD units RXLB - Rail Express Systems Cl.31/4 Locos RXLC -Rail Express Systems Crewe Cl.47/4 locos RXLE - Rail Express Systems AC Electric Locos MSNA - Allerton Shunters IBRA - Bristol Cl.47/4 Special Use Depot Codes AN - Allerton TMD [LIVERPOOL] BR - Bristol Bath Road TMD BS - Bescot TMD [WALSALL] CF - Cardiff Canton T&RSMD CD - Crewe Diesel TMD CE - Crewe Electric TMD EC - Craigentinny T&RSMD [EDINBURGH] IM - Immingham TMD [SOUTH HUMBERSIDE] LA - Laira T&RSMD [PLYMOUTH] LG - Longsight Electric TMD [MANCHESTER] LO - Longsight Diesel T&RSMD [MANCHESTER] NH - Newton Heath T&RSMD [MANCHESTER] NL - Neville Hill T&RSMD [LEEDS] PM - St. Phillips Marsh T&RSMD [BRISTOL] TE - Thornaby TMD TI - Tinsley TMD [SHEFFIELD] TO - Toton TMD [NOTTS] WN - Willesden TMD [LONDON] Abbreviations AB - Air Braked COY - Company Owned Train D&R - Diverted & Retimed DB Dual Braked Dept'l - Departmental Train ECS - Empty Coaching Stock EDMU - Empty Diesel Multiple Unit EH - Electric Train Heating Exch. - Exchange FLT - Freightliner Terminal LD - Light Diesel LDS - Light Diesel Shunter LE - Light Electric MGR - Merry Go Round NPCCS - Non Passenger Carrying Coaching Stock NY - Network Yard RTS - Refuse Transfer Sdgs. Sdg. - Siding Sdgs. - Sidings SS - Sorting Sidings TC - Terminal Complex Log in to reply The following users said thank you: officer dibble, HST125Scorton, JamesN, AlexH, Banners88, mldaureol, slatteryc |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 10/03/2024 at 20:04 #155661 | |
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58050
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This timetable has now been approved & is available to download under user-contributed, Timetables & Warrington. If you want to run this TT users need to select Era: 1972-2009.
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| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 10/03/2024 at 21:36 #155665 | |
officer dibble
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Up to 0200 on a Thursday & loving it, tremendous work as always Pascal. Couple of bits for you; 7M6122351 & T.77-A11 (& subsequent parts); both trains ran on what appear to be the same schedules throughout. 0M22RR needs through line stop ticked to allow loco to return to WBQ to attach to 6M221920WO otherwise you get a w/r call. When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Log in to reply The following user said thank you: 58050 |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 11/03/2024 at 00:32 #155669 | |
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58050
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officer dibble in post 155665 said:Up to 0200 on a Thursday & loving it, tremendous work as always Pascal. 7M61 & 7T77/$t.77-A11 do run with the same timings & the reason for that is because 7M61 is a WTT service & T.77 is in the Trip Notice which only shows arrival & departure time at certain specific locations & nothing in between. That's something users will need to get used to. When I was doing the testing despite both trains arriving at Walton Old Jn MSC Sdgs at the same time usually 7M61 crosses Winnick Jn early & 7T77 is approaching Goldbourne Jn to cross onto the Up ML before going onto the slow behind 7M61. You will also find that once T.77 has RR its train it usually rings out immeadiately behind 7M61 which is quite acceptable for this period. When I back timed 7T77 from its arrival time at Fiddlers Ferry Power Station those were the times that train would pass those locations using the same number of minutes aloaded MGR train would take between each timing location. It's just one of those quirks of fate in this particular TT. With regards to the 0M22RR I've now added the 'Thru Line Stop' tick in the WBQ location where the loco re-joins the tgrain in the DS. Can I suggest users add that tick in to their own copy of the TT so the driver doesn't ring in claiming wrong route. When the next version is uploaded that'll be fixed. Thanks for spotting that Paul. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: officer dibble |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 11/03/2024 at 11:40 #155670 | |
lazzer
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I don't own a licence for Warrington, but I may have to get one now, just to play another one of your crazy timetables, Pascal :-)
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| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 11/03/2024 at 13:16 #155671 | |
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58050
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lazzer in post 155670 said:I don't own a licence for Warrington, but I may have to get one now, just to play another one of your crazy timetables, Pascal :-)Why the hell not Neil. It is certainly a challenging TT if I say so myself & those who tested it would also agreed it does have it's moments. As one tester stated at times it's as busy as the Carlisle 79-80 TT. Last edited: 11/03/2024 at 16:18 by 58050 Reason: corrected as typo. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: lazzer |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 11/03/2024 at 16:27 #155672 | |
Splodge
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This may be a daft question - how do I get a loco from the Springs Branch Neck into the LIP? I can't set a route from there to WN67 (even if the onward route is set). If I use the exit arrow 73X is that still part of the LIP complex as the loco disappears off the sim without questioning the route but the labels don't make it clear if this is the case.
There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway. Log in to reply |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 11/03/2024 at 17:28 #155673 | |
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swiftaw
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Splodge in post 155672 said:This may be a daft question - how do I get a loco from the Springs Branch Neck into the LIP? I can't set a route from there to WN67 (even if the onward route is set). If I use the exit arrow 73X is that still part of the LIP complex as the loco disappears off the sim without questioning the route but the labels don't make it clear if this is the case.Click on signal 72 then the grey arrow to its left (to the left of signal 73). That path is to the LIP Last edited: 11/03/2024 at 17:28 by swiftaw Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Splodge |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 11/03/2024 at 17:51 #155674 | |
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58050
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With regards to Wigan LIP, all locos going onto the LIP run via the neck. Locos coming off the LIP to go elsewhere enter at 66GPS. Another thing users need to note, on occasions you may find a 2Z08 seeded at AJ33 signal Up Sdg at Arpley Jn & usually depart at 09.00. You'll see it on the F2 as there's no TD berth on that siding & depart at 09.00. The 2 trains are set at 25% so you wan't get them everytime, one is a Track Recording Unit & the other is ATO Training set. So just be warned in case you miss it until the driver rings in saying he's standing a red signal.
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| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 13/03/2024 at 12:52 #155690 | |
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slatteryc
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ohh lovely a pascal timetable on a sim I own ..... Need to finish Derby's pascal one first BUT am up to 1700 and its top stuff
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| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 15/03/2024 at 20:34 #155707 | |
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lazzer
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58050 in post 155671 said:lazzer in post 155670 said:Well, I did it.I don't own a licence for Warrington, but I may have to get one now, just to play another one of your crazy timetables, Pascal :-)Why the hell not Neil. It is certainly a challenging TT if I say so myself & those who tested it would also agreed it does have it's moments. As one tester stated at times it's as busy as the Carlisle 79-80 TT. And managed to challenge MYSELF by signalling a train into the MSC siding, and then absent-mindedly putting another one right in behind it instead of into Latchford! Much abandoning of timetables and reversing back and forth ensued to be able to release the engines for the run rounds LOL. Oh well ... Log in to reply |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 15/03/2024 at 21:05 #155708 | |
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58050
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lazzer in post 155707 said:58050 in post 155671 said:lazzer in post 155670 said:Well, I did it.I don't own a licence for Warrington, but I may have to get one now, just to play another one of your crazy timetables, Pascal :-)Why the hell not Neil. It is certainly a challenging TT if I say so myself & those who tested it would also agreed it does have it's moments. As one tester stated at times it's as busy as the Carlisle 79-80 TT. Not really your patch is it Neil to be fair. I'll give you a tip regarding the MGR trains to & from Fiddlers Ferry Power Station. The ones worked by pairs of Cl.20 locos run round their respected trains in Walton Old MSC Sdgs. The 2 trains from Milford WS go into the Walton Old Jn. MSC Sdgs but don't run round as 0T19 the the MGR Draw Back loco is booked to taake those trains to LatchFord Sdgs where they detach & the train loco is facing the right way to head off to Fiddlers Ferry & the same when they return with the empties. 0T19 attaches to the rear of the train when it arrives in Latchford Sdgs & drags it to Walton Old Jn. MSC Sdgs where the train loco is again facing the right way to go back to Milford WS. It would be nice to know how far into the TT you've managed to get & the same goes for all the other users that are playing this TT. No one has mentioned owt so I'm assuming everything is running as it should. Log in to reply |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 15/03/2024 at 21:48 #155709 | |
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lazzer
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58050 in post 155708 said:lazzer in post 155707 said:I'm up to just gone 7am, and so far all is quiet. Does the day shift get busier? I'm assuming it does ...58050 in post 155671 said:lazzer in post 155670 said:Well, I did it.I don't own a licence for Warrington, but I may have to get one now, just to play another one of your crazy timetables, Pascal :-)Why the hell not Neil. It is certainly a challenging TT if I say so myself & those who tested it would also agreed it does have it's moments. As one tester stated at times it's as busy as the Carlisle 79-80 TT. Log in to reply |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 15/03/2024 at 22:16 #155710 | |
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58050
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lazzer in post 155709 said:58050 in post 155708 said:Yes Neil it does, obviously through the night it goes quiet, but from where you are at the moment it does get progressively busier & also subject to what Day of the Week you are currently running will also depend on whether some additional traffic appears from all the Special Traffic Notices I've got in my collection for the area & period too. It certainly does have its moments as some of those testers who tested it would confirm.lazzer in post 155707 said:I'm up to just gone 7am, and so far all is quiet. Does the day shift get busier? I'm assuming it does ...58050 in post 155671 said:lazzer in post 155670 said:Well, I did it.I don't own a licence for Warrington, but I may have to get one now, just to play another one of your crazy timetables, Pascal :-)Why the hell not Neil. It is certainly a challenging TT if I say so myself & those who tested it would also agreed it does have it's moments. As one tester stated at times it's as busy as the Carlisle 79-80 TT. Log in to reply |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 16/03/2024 at 09:21 #155711 | |
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lazzer
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58050 in post 155710 said:lazzer in post 155709 said:I have learned over many years of playing this game that if one of your timetables has over 1000 trains in it, and not much happens between 00:00 and 07:00, then all hell is going to break loose over the next seven hours :-)58050 in post 155708 said:Yes Neil it does, obviously through the night it goes quiet, but from where you are at the moment it does get progressively busier & also subject to what Day of the Week you are currently running will also depend on whether some additional traffic appears from all the Special Traffic Notices I've got in my collection for the area & period too. It certainly does have its moments as some of those testers who tested it would confirm.lazzer in post 155707 said:I'm up to just gone 7am, and so far all is quiet. Does the day shift get busier? I'm assuming it does ...58050 in post 155671 said:lazzer in post 155670 said:Well, I did it.I don't own a licence for Warrington, but I may have to get one now, just to play another one of your crazy timetables, Pascal :-)Why the hell not Neil. It is certainly a challenging TT if I say so myself & those who tested it would also agreed it does have it's moments. As one tester stated at times it's as busy as the Carlisle 79-80 TT. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: sunocske, 58050 |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 16/03/2024 at 09:33 #155712 | |
HST125Scorton
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I'm up to 6am at this stage with this timetable and very much enjoying it!. There might be less traffic but this will soon change when I continue on. One recommendation is to have saves set to every 10mins in case you make mistakes which I did. Probably because I'm to use to my own modern timetables. I'm very local to the area been Atherton which is on the Man Picc sim.
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| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 16/03/2024 at 09:40 #155713 | |
postal
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lazzer in post 155707 said:58050 in post 155671 said:I learnt from bitter experience that nominating two rows in the scratchpad for MSC and Latchford was better then relying on my memory!lazzer in post 155670 said:Well, I did it.I don't own a licence for Warrington, but I may have to get one now, just to play another one of your crazy timetables, Pascal :-)Why the hell not Neil. It is certainly a challenging TT if I say so myself & those who tested it would also agreed it does have it's moments. As one tester stated at times it's as busy as the Carlisle 79-80 TT. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 16/03/2024 at 10:23 #155716 | |
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HST125Scorton in post 155712 said:I'm up to 6am at this stage with this timetable and very much enjoying it!. There might be less traffic but this will soon change when I continue on. One recommendation is to have saves set to every 10mins in case you make mistakes which I did. Probably because I'm to use to my own modern timetables. I'm very local to the area been Atherton which is on the Man Picc sim.I do exactly that. I always have my snapshots set to every 10 minutes so just as you say if you make a mistake you only need to go back 10 minutes or less before you correct yourself & can continue. Yes John like you I use the scratch pads in preference to sticking post it notes on the screen unless its far enough away from a scratch pad. Log in to reply |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 16/03/2024 at 10:29 #155717 | |
jc92
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lazzer in post 155709 said:58050 in post 155708 said:It certainly will do now you used the Q word!lazzer in post 155707 said:I'm up to just gone 7am, and so far all is quiet. Does the day shift get busier? I'm assuming it does ...58050 in post 155671 said:lazzer in post 155670 said:Well, I did it.I don't own a licence for Warrington, but I may have to get one now, just to play another one of your crazy timetables, Pascal :-)Why the hell not Neil. It is certainly a challenging TT if I say so myself & those who tested it would also agreed it does have it's moments. As one tester stated at times it's as busy as the Carlisle 79-80 TT. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 16/03/2024 at 10:30 #155718 | |
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58050
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lazzer in post 155711 said:58050 in post 155710 said:You'd best ask the likes of postal or JamesN who both ran through this TT when it was under test, they both completed it whereas I've never actually run it all the way through on my own. I've actually done a Thursday from 00.00 through to approx. 19.00 time which was the furthest I've ever done when I was testing it.lazzer in post 155709 said:I have learned over many years of playing this game that if one of your timetables has over 1000 trains in it, and not much happens between 00:00 and 07:00, then all hell is going to break loose over the next seven hours :-)58050 in post 155708 said:Yes Neil it does, obviously through the night it goes quiet, but from where you are at the moment it does get progressively busier & also subject to what Day of the Week you are currently running will also depend on whether some additional traffic appears from all the Special Traffic Notices I've got in my collection for the area & period too. It certainly does have its moments as some of those testers who tested it would confirm.lazzer in post 155707 said:I'm up to just gone 7am, and so far all is quiet. Does the day shift get busier? I'm assuming it does ...58050 in post 155671 said:lazzer in post 155670 said:Well, I did it.I don't own a licence for Warrington, but I may have to get one now, just to play another one of your crazy timetables, Pascal :-)Why the hell not Neil. It is certainly a challenging TT if I say so myself & those who tested it would also agreed it does have it's moments. As one tester stated at times it's as busy as the Carlisle 79-80 TT. Log in to reply |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 17/03/2024 at 15:38 #155729 | |
bugsy
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58050 in post 155718 said:lazzer in post 155711 said:I'd be interested in what postal and JamesN have to say about this timetable.58050 in post 155710 said:You'd best ask the likes of postal or JamesN who both ran through this TT when it was under test, they both completed it whereas I've never actually run it all the way through on my own. I've actually done a Thursday from 00.00 through to approx. 19.00 time which was the furthest I've ever done when I was testing it.lazzer in post 155709 said:I have learned over many years of playing this game that if one of your timetables has over 1000 trains in it, and not much happens between 00:00 and 07:00, then all hell is going to break loose over the next seven hours :-)58050 in post 155708 said:Yes Neil it does, obviously through the night it goes quiet, but from where you are at the moment it does get progressively busier & also subject to what Day of the Week you are currently running will also depend on whether some additional traffic appears from all the Special Traffic Notices I've got in my collection for the area & period too. It certainly does have its moments as some of those testers who tested it would confirm.lazzer in post 155707 said:I'm up to just gone 7am, and so far all is quiet. Does the day shift get busier? I'm assuming it does ...58050 in post 155671 said:lazzer in post 155670 said:Well, I did it.I don't own a licence for Warrington, but I may have to get one now, just to play another one of your crazy timetables, Pascal :-)Why the hell not Neil. It is certainly a challenging TT if I say so myself & those who tested it would also agreed it does have it's moments. As one tester stated at times it's as busy as the Carlisle 79-80 TT. Is it as difficult as Carlisle 1979-1980. I started this timetable in August 2023 and got as far as 00:50 which was the last of the 10 minute saves. There's nothing after that one so looks as though I abandoned it at that point 🥴 Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Log in to reply |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 17/03/2024 at 17:21 #155731 | |
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postal
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It is sometimes as demanding on the signaller as the 1979 Carlisle TT although not as busy in terms of numbers of trains on the panel. This is due to the phone calls that have to be made around the Arpley area. You can decide as policy not to make the calls and take the penalties but that seems a bit like cheating.
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| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 17/03/2024 at 20:28 #155732 | |
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bugsy
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postal in post 155731 said:It is sometimes as demanding on the signaller as the 1979 Carlisle TT although not as busy in terms of numbers of trains on the panel. This is due to the phone calls that have to be made around the Arpley area. You can decide as policy not to make the calls and take the penalties but that seems a bit like cheating.I'd rather play it with the telephone calls enabled so what I might do is slow it down and probably use the pause button more frequently. I'm nearly half way through the current timetable so will probably give the 1992 tt a go afterwards. Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Log in to reply |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 17/03/2024 at 20:40 #155733 | |
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postal
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bugsy in post 155732 said:I'd rather play it with the telephone calls enabled so what I might do is slow it down and probably use the pause button more frequently.Although you can't interact with a telephone call while the sim is paused. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Warrington Summer 1992 TT 17/03/2024 at 21:38 #155734 | |
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bugsy
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postal in post 155733 said:bugsy in post 155732 said:Quite. I usually answer a telephone call then pause the sim while I study the timetable or whatever.I'd rather play it with the telephone calls enabled so what I might do is slow it down and probably use the pause button more frequently.Although you can't interact with a telephone call while the sim is paused. Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Log in to reply |