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| Permissive Working for mixed traffic types? Yesterday at 21:46 #159062 | |
9pN1SEAp
1172 posts |
Hi, I've got a situation with 1978 TT for Swindon & Didcot where a Class 4 Parcels is occupying SWI P1 and P3 is unavailable. A local Class 2 terminating at Swindon is heading on the Up line timed to arrive before the Parcels is ready to depart. There's sufficient space on P1 to accommodate the service and the platform is PP-C. But I'm not sure if permissive platform working is allowed ONLY if both trains are passenger/ECS classes, or allowed based solely on the class of train being called-on. Please could someone advise? Thanks Jamie Jamie S (JAMS) Log in to reply |
| Permissive Working for mixed traffic types? Yesterday at 22:00 #159063 | |
TUT
521 posts |
The modern Rule Book is quite clear on this point (although for reasons I've never quite fathomed the regulations appear only and specifically in Module TS2 Track Circuit Block Regulations). On goods and passenger (other than platform) lines it's the class of train that matters. 3-8 and 0 are the classes you can work permissively with. However on platform lines it explicitly says 1, 2, 3 ECS, 5, 9 and 0. Any class of train formed only of MPV vehicles when operating as a railhead treatment or inspection train. (Emphasis mine). For 1978 I'd have to defer to others, but my understanding is that generally passenger and freight trains do not mix when it comes to permissive working. Parcels trains are an interesting grey area I'd be just as curious to learn more about. Log in to reply |
| Permissive Working for mixed traffic types? Yesterday at 22:59 #159064 | |
Steamer
3980 posts |
Asked this exact question myself during my Guard's training at a heritage railway- in our case platforms are permissive for passenger, ECS and light engines only. Answer I was given (and again this is the railway's own rule book only) was that accepting a call-on with a freight train is a SPAD (as the call-on signal does not apply to your train), but being called on with a passenger train with a freight in the platform is OK as far as traincrew are concerned. Whether the signalman would be in trouble for it I can't honestly say. Again, in our case 'parcels' (such as it is) falls under the remit of a passenger guard, and I believe this was also the case 'back in the day'? Weren't parcels trains also signalled on the basis of being comprised entirely of vehicles with passenger-standard couplings and braking capabilities? "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: Yesterday at 23:02 by Steamer Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Permissive Working for mixed traffic types? Today at 00:00 #159065 | |
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bill_gensheet
1399 posts |
Does this count as permssive ? Or is it a potentially mobile buffer stop ? Bill  Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |