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| Stafford summer 1990 TT 07/03/2025 at 17:47 #160402 | |
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I have just sent my Stafford summer 1990 TT up for Moderator approval. I dedicate this timetable to a good friend of mine Mr. Mike Shaw who was Railtracks London Midland Signalling Inspector. Earlier in his railway career he was a signalman & worked Stafford No.4, Stafford No.5, Norton Bridge signalboxes as well as Wolverhampton PSB after it opened in the 1960s. Due to some unresolved glitches in the simulation, some manual interventions will be required. These are noted in the individual TTs as follows:- a) MY2 not clearing at Madeley Chord RR loop; b) reversals behind SD#4-64 call wrong route. Users will need to abandon the TT on 1A01 once it has stopped in Stafford station UFL & then re-instate the TT onto the train so it stops behind SD#4-64. & then set back onto the stock off 1K28 in platform 1 to join. The following official BR Items were used to compile this TT:- BR LMR WTT Section CB of Passenger, Parcels, Freight & Departmental Tran Services between Rugby & Stafford (via Birmingham & Bescot), Birmingham to Hereford, Banbury & Paddington, Crewe to Derby & Derby to Bristol & Cardiff dated Weekdays 14th May, 1990 to 11th May, 1991. BR LMR WTT Section CB of Passenger, Parcels, Freight & Departmental Train Services between Rugby & Stafford 9via Trent Valley Line) to Preston & Liverpool Lime Street. Dated Weekdays 14th May, 1990 to 11th May, 1990. BR LMR WTT Section CH of Passenger, Parcels, Freight & Departmental Train Services between Crewe to Holyhead, Crewe to Cardiff & Llanelli & Branches, Wolverhampton to Chester & Branches. Dated Weekdays 14th May, 1990 to 11th May, 1991. BR LMR Trip Notice for WCML(South) & West Midlands comm. 14th May, 1990 UFN. BR East Midlands Freight freight train loads book Bescot Area 1991 loads book. Depot Codes BS - Bescot TMD CA - Cambridge T&RSMD CD - Crewe Diesel Depot CE - Crewe Electric Depot BY - Bletchley T&RSMD GW - Glasgow Shields Road T&RSMD LG - Longsight Electric Depot TO - Toton TMD TY - Tyseley T&RSMD WN - Willesden TMD Pool Codes DCMA - Departmental(Civil Engineer London Midland) Main Line locos DCMB - Departmental(Area Civil Engineer Birmingham) locos DCMC - Departmental(Area Civil Engineer Crewe) locos FEAN - Railfreight [PS Coal] Toton Cl.58 (Nottinghamshire) locos FEBN - Railfreight [PS Coal] Toton Cl.58 (Yorkshire) locos. FECN - Railfreight [PS Coal] Toton Cl.56 (Nottinghamshire) locos FEDN - Railfreight [PS Coal] Toton Cl.56 (Yorkshire) locos FEEN - Railfreight [PS Coal] Toton Cl.56 (North East) locos FEFN - Railfreight (PS Coal) Cl.20 Nott'm locos FEGN - Rao;freight (PS Coal) Cl.20 North West locos FGHC - Railfreight (Distribution) Cl.85/0 & Cl.87/1 locos FGKG - Railfreight (Distribution) Shields Cl.81 locos FGLC - Railfreight (Distribution) Crewe Cl.86/4 locos FGPC - Railfreight (Distribution) Cl.86/6 locos FGQW - Railfreight (Distribution) Willesden Cl.90 locos ICCA - InterCity Cross Country Services locos IEBA - InterCity Euston to Birmingham services locos IPCL - InterCity/Parcels Shared Cl.90 locos IPSA - InterCity Push Pull & Pullman services locos IWCA - InterCity WCML Services locos IWCA - InterCity West Coast Services locos RXLC - Parcels Crewe Cl.47 locos RPXN - Parcels DPU Cars (DPU) Tagging Codes 04B - Bathgate 07N - Deanside 07S - Glasgow FLT 08Q - Stranraer 082 - Falkland Jn. 093 - Carlisle 10A - Sellafield 33B - Barton Dock Road 33L - Trafford Park 34E - Earles Sdgs. 352 - Warrington 363 - Edge Hill 36B - Garston (Cars) 36G - Garston (Components) 36H - Halewood 36X - Garston 40R Holyhead 422 - Crewe 432 - Longport 43C - Cliff Vale 49F - Felixstowe South FLT 49G - Felixstowe North FLT 51F - Tilbury RCT 51N - Tilbury NFH 52R - Stratford FLT 572 - Derby 622 - uton 652 - Bescot 65P - Pensnett 65V - Langley Green 682 - Gloucester 69D - Banbury 702 - Northampton 70A-Akeman Street 70W - Wolverton 722 - Willesden 723 - Willesden 73R - Park Royal 74V - Oxford 76X - Hereford 79X - Bridgend 79S - Swansea Burrows 82G - Gillingham(Dorset) 83R - Taunton 832 - Exeter 84T - Tavistock Jn. 85E - St. Blazey 852 - St. Blazey 86N - Andover 86S - Southampton 862 - Eastleigh 869 - Salisbury 87H - Horsham 88P - Plumstead 89D - Queenborough 89F - Dover Abbreviations COY - Company Owned Train FL - Fast Line MGR - Merry Go Round NY Network Yard SL - Slow Line SLK - Speedlink SS - Sorting Sdgs. WRD - Wagon Repair Depot This timetable will chain with my Wolverhampton summer 1990 TT. This timetable is not for the Staffordshire sim, but run on the old Stafford sim. Any issues or questions about this TT plerase post on this thread. Last edited: 08/03/2025 at 13:52 by 58050 Reason: missed additional text Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Banners88, mldaureol, flabberdacks, tjfrancis, Mikhail, Splodge |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 08/03/2025 at 13:54 #160423 | |
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This TT is now available to download in the Downloads section after having moderator approval.
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| Stafford summer 1990 TT 09/03/2025 at 19:00 #160438 | |
Splodge
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How long is the Madeley turnback? I have two trains (6K27 into, and 7G26 out of the colliery) wanting to use the chord at the same time, with 7G26 being top and tailed, can it go into the turnback to use the main chord line once 6K27 has entered the colliery?
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| Stafford summer 1990 TT 09/03/2025 at 21:34 #160441 | |
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Splodge in post 160438 said:How long is the Madeley turnback? I have two trains (6K27 into, and 7G26 out of the colliery) wanting to use the chord at the same time, with 7G26 being top and tailed, can it go into the turnback to use the main chord line once 6K27 has entered the colliery?Ok the first thing to say is that none of the MGR trains on this TT are top n tailed. All MGR trains to Silverdale Colliery required run rounds. The differnce with train coming from Silverdale Colliery is that they propel out onto the US line at Madeley & then head off towards Stafford en route to Rugeley Power Station. Similarly when an empty set arrives behind MY15GPS on the DS line at Madeley they propel up to the Chord Line & then head off towards Silverdale Colliery again without running round the train. The only train that require run rounds are trains like 6K27 which enters at Basford Hall Jn. With regards to the 2 trains you mention I would hold 7G26 back at Silverdale Colliery until 6K27 has arrived there as you will need to use the US line at Madeley for 7G26 to reverse. Bear in mind that in this period there isn't the importance of keeping everything to time. Freight trains baack in the dy very often ran late or early, but on one really worried about it. So just depart 7G26 from Silverdale once 6K27 has arrived there. You can only deal with one train at a time on Madley Chord. The timings taken for the MGR trains are taken from the WCML9North) & North Wales & WCML(South) & West Midlands trip notice for this period. Trip Notice only show the originating departure times * the arrival times at Destinations, nothing else. So as a TT writier everything in between is somewhat speculative. Last edited: 09/03/2025 at 21:38 by 58050 Reason: corrected typo Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Splodge |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 10/03/2025 at 07:46 #160444 | |
jc92
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Can you hold one at Silverdale? I thought that branch was OTW without token? You'd have to hold one on the US outside Madeley and get the first one off the branch completely first "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 10/03/2025 at 07:56 #160445 | |
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jc92 in post 160444 said:Can you hold one at Silverdale? I thought that branch was OTW without token?The Silverdale branch can hold 2 trains. One can pass Silverdale Colliery where one train is being loaded, the second train goes to the end of the line & does a run round on the RR loop & waits there until the train being loaded has cleared the loading point line. So in effect as Sploadge asked 6K27 from Basford Hall would run onto the Chord line, run round & then head off towards Silverdale. Ince that train has exiuted the sim then 7G26 can be accepted to run back to the Chord line & then propel from the Chord line onto the US & then head off towe ards Stafford. Log in to reply |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 11/03/2025 at 19:42 #160482 | |
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I've had a look at the 89 SA and it does show it as NSKT not OTW so that does make sense.
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| Stafford summer 1990 TT 11/03/2025 at 22:11 #160488 | |
officer dibble
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Evening, Great work as always Pascal! I have been given a Thursday TT by the sim & I had 6V35/6V352256MO appear, which is most odd as it appears to have the correct decision (unless I am missing something obvious). When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Log in to reply |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 11/03/2025 at 22:40 #160489 | |
9pN1SEAp
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Hi Pascal, Couple of other bits: There's a POO-MAN Cl. 87 train with TRN 1M79 but with UID 1M231540-E. Think the headcode might be wrong. 1S192100SX has got an operating description SuO Sleeper. 6K312301WOZ-FEFN says "MO MGR" not "WO MGR". Also the 1M16 beds have origin "Invweness" :) Thanks Jamie Jamie S (JAMS) Log in to reply |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 12/03/2025 at 10:54 #160495 | |
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9pN1SEAp in post 160489 said:Hi Pascal, Log in to reply |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 12/03/2025 at 10:54 #160496 | |
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officer dibble in post 160488 said:Evening,Oh OK Paul I'll rake a look into that one. Very Odd. Log in to reply |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 12/03/2025 at 11:55 #160497 | |
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OK Paul resolved your issue regarding 6V35/$6V352256MO. The DotW decision on that train should have option TUE as that is what is on the Wolverhampton summer 1990 TT & I've checked the WTT too which confirms that. Jamie I've fixed the typos you've raised on 1S19, 6K31 & ALL of the variations of 1M16. That said I need a bit more time with regards to the Poole - Manchester service as In the Wolverhampton 1M79 is shown as a Poole - Liverpool Lime Street. I'll get back to you on this in the next couple of days on this one as I'm about to start a private test game on my summer 1991 Doncaster station TT to make that ready for final testing. So bear with me.
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| Stafford summer 1990 TT 12/03/2025 at 15:42 #160501 | |
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58050 in post 160496 said:officer dibble in post 160488 said:Fixed this one now Paul. It should read TUE not THU. Will be seen in v1.1, unless you fix it yourself in your copy of this TT.Evening,Oh OK Paul I'll rake a look into that one. Very Odd. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: officer dibble |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 16/03/2025 at 12:21 #160551 | |
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9pN1SEAp in post 160489 said:Hi Pascal,OK I've now had a chance to look into this & yes well spotted you are right. The 1540 Poole to Manc'r Piccadilly actually runs as 1M23 according to the Birmingham New Street summer 1990 station working book & also the WTTs share the same info. This train in the Wolverhampton summer 1990 TT is actually correct, but not in the Stafford summer 1990 TT. I've updated the Stafford TT to match whats in the WTTs & will be seen when the next TT update is released. If anyone wants to edit their own copy on Stafford then look for the train shown as 1M79/$1M791540-E, change the TD to 1M23 & the UID to 1M231540-E & then re-save the TT. Log in to reply |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 18/03/2025 at 02:00 #160584 | |
Bonan
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I just downloaded and played a few hours of this timetable. Lovely work as always! I got Friday and there seems to be some issues with 6K51/0K51 at the start of the timetable. After detaching the loco it won't go into the turnback siding. Instead it tries to depart in the down direction and complains that 6K51 is in the way. After abandoning the timetable an running it around manually it refused to couple to 6K51 no matter what I did with the timetable. Instead it just terminated at the Mandeley Chord line. The next train, 7F51, completed it's run around without issues, although it came from the branch so that might somehow affect things possibly? Swedish driver and part-time signaller Log in to reply |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 18/03/2025 at 09:17 #160587 | |
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Bonan in post 160584 said:I just downloaded and played a few hours of this timetable. Lovely work as always!Strange as no one as ever reported this before & I never had a problem with this train from when I hosted a test game last year. Andrew[swiftlaw] tested every single day of the week of this TT chained with Wolverhampton & he never mentioned an issue with any of the RR at madeley Chord. The only thing I can suggest is to re-start your game again as this train is the first one to enter from Basford Hall to Silverdale Colliery. The only thing I'd ask is did you set the Turnback GF correctly as that may affect the movemenbt of the LD? Log in to reply |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 23/03/2025 at 10:52 #160662 | |
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officer dibble
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Not a biggie, but 6S57/6S571353-FGRC is missing info from its description.
When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Log in to reply |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 23/03/2025 at 12:52 #160664 | |
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officer dibble in post 160662 said:Not a biggie, but 6S57/6S571353-FGRC is missing info from its description. OK thanks for that one Paul. I'll sort that one out shortly & post on here what needs putting in each section of the 'Misc' tab. Log in to reply |
| Stafford summer 1990 TT 23/03/2025 at 17:15 #160667 | |
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OK for any users using this timetable the missing data on both 6S57/$6S571353-FGKG & 6S57/$6S571353-FGRC on the 'Misc' tab is as follows:- Origin Sheerness Steel Works Destination Mossend NY Origin Departure 13.53 Destination arrival is left blank Operator SX SLK If you wish to update your own copy of this TT then use the info I've listed above & fill in the missing fields of data or wait fot the next TT update. Last edited: 23/03/2025 at 17:31 by 58050 Reason: corrected typo Log in to reply |