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| help 11/03/2010 at 20:53 #844 | |
ozzyd9001
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can anyone help me locate a uk rail map on the net? as i had a very interesting trip back from weymouth last sunday, and i changed from a train spotter to a staition spotter as my train left the main line at woking, and turned left at the first junction? all i can say is wow. and at mostly 15 to 30 mph? and rejoining clapham junction on platform 3 and running into waterloo platform 16 plus most of the signal plates we passed were prefixed F any ideas which box these come under? yours paul Log in to reply |
| help 11/03/2010 at 20:53 #7226 | |
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ozzyd9001
131 posts |
can anyone help me locate a uk rail map on the net? as i had a very interesting trip back from weymouth last sunday, and i changed from a train spotter to a staition spotter as my train left the main line at woking, and turned left at the first junction? all i can say is wow. and at mostly 15 to 30 mph? and rejoining clapham junction on platform 3 and running into waterloo platform 16 plus most of the signal plates we passed were prefixed F any ideas which box these come under? yours paul Log in to reply |
| help 11/03/2010 at 21:24 #7227 | |
GeoffM
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You would have gone via Feltham then, with the signalbox of the same name. Can't help with a map though I'm pretty sure there are a few on the National Rail website.
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| help 11/03/2010 at 21:26 #7229 | |
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John
884 posts |
Siganls with an "F" prefix are under the control of Feltham PSB. Sounds like you took the Up Byfleet curve at Byfleet Jcn and then ran via Staines. That's one heck of a diversion, but such journeys sometimes make a pleasent change from the norm. Log in to reply |
| help 11/03/2010 at 21:40 #7230 | |
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ozzyd9001
131 posts |
thanks for that yes indeed we did go via staines the full route was(and i appologise for the spelling) woking addelstone chertsy vaginia wateegham staines ashford? feltham houndslow isleworth s? lane brentford kew bridge chiswick box change W barns bridge barns partney wandsworth town clapham junction plat 3 queensdown rd vaxhall waterloo plat 16 nice little divert me thinks but with this being my first time on the southern one hell of a welcome? lol yours paul Log in to reply |
| help 11/03/2010 at 23:28 #7234 | |
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pbinnersley
431 posts |
Paul, You can follow you route on the National Rail London Connection map http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/passenger_services/maps/London_Connections.pdf. Peter. Log in to reply |
| help 14/03/2010 at 14:59 #7291 | |
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bill_gensheet
1413 posts |
The following two files are the graphics that you get with the timetable: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/eNRT/Dec09/Timetable%20Map.pdf http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/eNRT/Dec09/Schematic%20Map.pdf These of course will not show any freight lines that you may end up on. Your trip did use a 'rarity' of Byfleet - Addlestone Otherwise you could have a look at 'tree-based media' such as Bakers' atlas (Rail Atlas of Britain and Ireland - S.K.Baker) or Trackmaps (formerly Quail maps) which may be available in public libraries. Bill Log in to reply |
| help 15/03/2010 at 11:33 #7304 | |
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UKTrainMan
1803 posts |
ozzyd9001 said:thanks for thatTo clear up that list a bit, and add a few extra bits; Woking West Byfleet Byfleet & New Haw (then using a "Peak Hour or limited service route" curve) Addlestone Chertsey Virginia Water Egham Staines Ashford (Surrey) / Ashford (Middlesex) Feltham Hounslow Isleworth Syon Lane Brentford Kew Bridge Chiswick (Signal Box Change - W [Waterloo]) Barnes Bridge Barnes Putney Wandsworth Town Clapham Junction {Platform 3} Queenstown Road (Battersea) Vauxhall Waterloo {Platform 16} Definitely a very interesting route, thanks for sharing with everyone. On an only very slightly related matter not too long ago I was doing a 'London bash' with a fellow enthusiast and we ended up at London Waterloo with some time to spare when I noted on the departure board a train apparently going non-stop to Surbiton so I suggested that we "bashed it" (since Surbiton is the travelcard boundary station) and boarded a measly 4-car Class 450 which was packed. We passed through Clapham Junction non-stop :O and then having changed platforms at Surbiton found that our return train back to London Waterloo was a 5-car Class 444 :O :O (which rarely stop at Surbiton as it is) and that too skipped Clapham Junction :O :O :O I do love little surprises like that!  :cool:
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| help 15/03/2010 at 11:40 #7305 | |
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UKTrainMan
1803 posts |
ozzyd9001 said:thanks for thatTo clear up that list a bit, and add a few extra bits; Woking West Byfleet Byfleet & New Haw (then using a "Peak Hour or limited service route" curve) Addlestone Chertsey Virginia Water Egham Staines Ashford (Surrey) / Ashford (Middlesex) Feltham Hounslow Isleworth Syon Lane Brentford Kew Bridge Chiswick (Signal Box Change - W [Waterloo]) Barnes Bridge Barnes Putney Wandsworth Town Clapham Junction {Platform 3} Queenstown Road (Battersea) Vauxhall Waterloo {Platform 16} Definitely a very interesting route, thanks for sharing with everyone. With regards to a Quail map, you may find this link of interest. On an only very slightly related matter not too long ago I was doing a 'London bash' with a fellow enthusiast and we ended up at London Waterloo with some time to spare when I noted on the departure board a train apparently going non-stop to Surbiton so I suggested that we "bashed it" (since Surbiton is the travelcard boundary station) and boarded a measly 4-car Class 450 which was packed. We passed through Clapham Junction non-stop :O and then having changed platforms at Surbiton found that our return train back to London Waterloo was a 5-car Class 444 :O :O (which rarely stop at Surbiton as it is) and that too skipped Clapham Junction :O :O :O I do love little surprises like that! :cool:
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| help 15/03/2010 at 20:53 #7310 | |
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ozzyd9001
131 posts |
one last thing one my way down to weymouth. i couldent find my train on arrival at waterloo so as you do i found a couple of station staff and asked which platform for the 15.05 to weymouth the answer oh we dont know, youll have to look at the screens for that. as they dont put the platform up till 10 minutes before the train departs? apparently as the train hasent arrived well i had been past that platform on arrivel and guess what my train was sat there then a good 20 minutes before i asked hummmmnn yours paul Log in to reply |
| help 16/03/2010 at 00:01 #7314 | |
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UKTrainMan
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I know for a fact that South West Trains staff normally do know or at least have a good idea what platform the train is booked on or expected on as they've got that information available, although of course it's not 100% guaranteed. In-fact a mate who works for South West Trains has shown me a copy of a book with a yellow cover and reads the following on the front; London Waterloo Train Departures Book Sunday 9th December 2007 to 11 May 2008 South West Trains Compiled by the Information Production Unit and inside that it shows the various platforms for each departures. Although there is a note in the front of the book that read; Platform information (if shown) The platform information shown in this book is that provided in the Network Rail timetable database together with any local alterations advised before this book has gone to press. In some cases, the final platform information has not been available before going to press and the platform number for any trains concerned has been left blank. Staff at other locations using this book to give advice to passengers should advise that the actual departure platform for their train be confirmed from announcements/information screens. But I guess they may not want to tell customers the platform before it's announced as they would rather not have passengers huddled around the ticket gates or the train information screens on the platform, which is understandable. Thanks to my mate (who shall remain nameless) for providing the above information to me Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| help 17/03/2010 at 14:48 #7332 | |
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mfcooper
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The 'W' signal prefix is NOT Waterloo. It is, in fact, Wimbledon.
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| help 17/03/2010 at 15:49 #7334 | |
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UKTrainMan
1803 posts |
:: I guess I'm due a "Must try harder" remark then. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| help 18/03/2010 at 13:08 #7359 | |
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kbarber
1742 posts |
mfcooper said:The 'W' signal prefix is NOT Waterloo. It is, in fact, Wimbledon. Well, sort of. It is certainly located at Wimbledon (single-storey industrial shed-type a little south of the station). But my understanding is that its official title is indeed Waterloo (I've an idea, in fact, that the full monicker is "Waterloo Area Signalling Centre" or something like that, but the authoritative paper is in the loft at the moment). Log in to reply |
| help 18/03/2010 at 13:55 #7361 | |
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GeoffM
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The Sectional Appendix refers to it as "Wimbledon SC", though I've also seen "Wimbledon ASC". Signalling diagrams and panel faceplates all refer to Wimbledon, not Waterloo. Possibly the confusion arises from the name of the signalling scheme - Waterloo Area Resignalling Scheme?
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| help 18/03/2010 at 18:18 #7385 | |
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ozzyd9001
131 posts |
wow thanks for all the information it has been realy usefull just a thought wouldent it be fun to have a tt for this? for the waterloo sim yours paul Log in to reply |
| help 18/03/2010 at 21:03 #7394 | |
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UKTrainMan
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ozzyd9001 said:wowI would be inclined to say yes however the Waterloo simulation itself only covers the final few locations and not the actual diversionary route taken...so the train would have appeared on the entry panel as just like any other train, although nothing stopping a timetable writer describing the train as "xx:xx [originating point] - London Waterloo (diverted via Addlestone and Hounslow) [Class 444 - 5 cars]", for example. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| help 18/03/2010 at 23:52 #7406 | |
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GeoffM
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UKTrainMan said:I would be inclined to say yes however the Waterloo simulation itself only covers the final few locations and not the actual diversionary route taken..Nope, it would have appeared on the Windsor lines instead of the Main lines. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |