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| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 17:56 #109894 | |
stighetl
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Good evening! I'm looking for a simulation with alot of shunting operations, preferably a terminus station where alot of trains with locomotives and wagons end their journey, and where they have to shunt the engine around to the other end of the train. My English isn't very great, but I guess this makes sense, hehe. I recently bought Peak District, and I absolutely love it. Unfortunately, it's not very busy. I also have North Wales Coast, where there is some shunting at Holyhead, but not as much activity as I was hoping for. I thank you in advance! - Stig - Stig Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 18:09 #109895 | |
Table 52
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It depends on the timetable more than the simulation. Even across the same sim, a lot of the older timetables will have many more loco movements than modern day ones. I'd recommend you try the Kings Cross 1977 timetable (Kings Cross is a free download) Log in to reply The following user said thank you: stighetl |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 18:25 #109896 | |
postal
5265 posts |
Look for any sim with a TT written by 58050 (Pascal Nadin).
“In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply The following users said thank you: stighetl, Ar88 |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 18:27 #109897 | |
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stighetl
99 posts |
Thank you for your quick reply! I have downloaded Kings Cross and the 1977 timetable, but it won't show up in the "Select timetable" menu. Only "Kings Cross 1985 0000 Start" appears in the list. I have placed the 1977 timetable in the same folder where I found the 1985 timetable (C:\Users\Public\Documents\SimSig\Timetables\KingsX)  Any idea what's wrong? - Stig Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 18:27 #109898 | |
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stighetl
99 posts |
postal in post 109896 said:Look for any sim with a TT written by 58050 (Pascal Nadin).Thanks for the advice! I will take a look! - Stig Last edited: 24/06/2018 at 18:28 by stighetl Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 18:51 #109900 | |
bugsy
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stighetl in post 109897 said:Thank you for your quick reply!I recently had the same problem and was given this advice: When starting a new simulation, select Kings Cross, then just click ‘start’ without selecting a timetable. In the menu that appears in the top left of your screen, select ‘Timetable’ In the dropdown menu, select Open (merge with current) You’ll then see a list of timetables. You should be able to select the 1977 timetable from this list. Hope this helps Bugsy Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 19:15 #109901 | |
jc92
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Carlisle 1980 has a lot of overnight shunting and splitting. Kings cross 77 or 85 both have loco hauled workings that require loco changes. Gloucester has a 1980s timetable with the banker at Bromsgrove and also locos changing and/or running round at Gloucester. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 19:24 #109902 | |
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MarkC
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bugsy in post 109900 said:stighetl in post 109897 said:Please don't forget to then save the timetable, then restart the simulation and you should then be able to select the timetable from the timetable selection screen on the loader.Thank you for your quick reply!I recently had the same problem and was given this advice: Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 19:41 #109904 | |
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bugsy
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MarkC in post 109902 said:That's interesting. I don't recall being told that. Thanks Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 19:56 #109905 | |
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postal
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bugsy in post 109904 said:MarkC in post 109902 said:Not even from this post?That's interesting. I don't recall being told that. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply The following user said thank you: MarkC |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 20:03 #109906 | |
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MarkC
1105 posts |
bugsy in post 109904 said:MarkC in post 109902 said:This ensures trains that have seeds enter the sim, as trains that require seeding don't enter the sim if the timetable is merged.That's interesting. I don't recall being told that. Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 22:24 #109908 | |
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bugsy
1766 posts |
MarkC in post 109902 said:I think that the post you are refering to was telling me to start the 1985-1986 tt in the usual way from the loader, which I have subsequently done. The tt that bfcmik is refering to doesn't appear in the loader when he starts the sim, although I understand that it is in the correct location on his computer. The method of starting that particluar tt which, incidentally, doesnt appear in my list either, is what I described above. I've actually successfully loaded and started the 1977 tt myself using this method, and it does work and I got seeded trains. Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Last edited: 24/06/2018 at 22:27 by bugsy Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 24/06/2018 at 23:02 #109909 | |
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MarkC
1105 posts |
bugsy in post 109908 said:MarkC in post 109902 said:The Point I am trying to make in regards to the older WTT and WTR files is that after you have opened (merge with current) and then save the timetable, *go to the timetable menu and select Save As*, it is that they should then show in the timetable selection screen of the loader, which save's opening the sim and loading the timetable by "open (merge with Current) every time, also if any of those older timetables have seeds (some do and some don't and unless I go though each and every one I don't know what does) reloading after you have saved the timetable will ensure those seeds enter the sim, (seeds meaning trains that enter normally at signals or platforms on start of the sim not an entery point such as Biggleswade Up Fast in King's cross, or depot/siding's),I think that the post you are refering to was telling me to start the 1985-1986 tt in the usual way from the loader, which I have subsequently done. Last edited: 25/06/2018 at 09:12 by MarkC Reason: Added "go to the timetable menu and select Save As" Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 25/06/2018 at 01:50 #109911 | |
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Chromatix
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Lime Street with the older-era timetables has a lot of loco-hauled long-haul services, which require shunting of light engines. Usually a fresh engine is put on the country end, and the arriving engine is released when the stock departs. Likewise Euston. There's a 1960s era to the sim, but I haven't seen any timetables making use of it yet. The 1980s era has similar traffic patterns to Lime Street, but on a larger scale - and with the addition of some real shunting around the various carriage sheds. Both of these also have a lot of unit movements, and an important distinction between at least two types of power. Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 25/06/2018 at 06:57 #109912 | |
axmh
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Interesting discussion. I feel that Waterloo should have their share of shuntings. Parcels, Class 50s, Westerns and occasional 47s on the Exeter routes plus 33s on some Bournemouth routes on different eras of when they were used. Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 25/06/2018 at 07:32 #109913 | |
Meld
1111 posts |
If/when Sheffield comes to loader the '83 timetable has its fair share of shunting, especially overnight. Its a great view of how operations ran back in the day
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| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 25/06/2018 at 07:52 #109914 | |
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bugsy
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MarkC in post 109909 said:bugsy in post 109908 said:Hello MarkC.MarkC in post 109902 said:The Point I am trying to make in regards to the older WTT and WTR files is that after you have opened (merge with current) and then save the timetable, it is that they should then show in the timetable selection screen of the loader, which save opening the sim and loading the timetable by "open (merge with Current) every time, also if any of those older timetables have seeds (some do and some don't and unless I go though each and every one I don't know what does) reloading after you have saved the timetable will ensure those seeds enter the sim, (seeds meaning trains that enter normally at signals or platforms on start of the sim not an entery point such as Biggleswade Up Fast in King's cross, or depot/siding's), Sorry if I seem to be misunderstanding you, but once the 1977 sim was merged, the only option I got for saving was the usual *.*.ssg file. The 1977 tt still doesn't appear in my loader when I select 'start a new simulation', although I can obviously select the *.*.ssg file when clicking 'Load a previously saved simulation' Am I doing something wrong? Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 25/06/2018 at 08:55 #109915 | |
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Meld
1111 posts |
After mergeing the tmetable goto to the timetable menu and use Save as from there
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| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 25/06/2018 at 09:07 #109916 | |
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Ray
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Steamer's recently made TT for NE Scotland is mainly loco hauled and can be recommended, although its not for the faint hearted. You have to be constantly aware of resetting signals and level crossings after trains as well as moving locos around.
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| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 25/06/2018 at 10:14 #109917 | |
VInce
579 posts |
Version 1.06 of the six-day Peterborough 77 is pretty busy too - all yards, sidings and ground frames are used at some point, lots of L/D moves and yard shunting - Saturday possessions too. Its available in the archives. For those that might want it, I have an unreleased Version 1.1, has a fair bit more activity, lots of additional L/D moves, control specials etc... I don't intend to officially release it but if anyone is interested please message me your e-mail address and I'll send you a copy. Please note that neither will chain with Kings Cross... Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 25/06/2018 at 10:15 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: bugsy |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 25/06/2018 at 11:01 #109919 | |
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bugsy
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Meld in post 109915 said:After mergeing the tmetable goto to the timetable menu and use Save as from thereThis is what I did as I said above. I thought that MarkC was implying that by doing this, you would see it in the list of tt options when starting the loader. But you don't as I said in my post at 06.52 this morning. You only see it when selecting a previously saved game. This is what I have said all along. Am I correct, or not? If not, then I apologise. Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 25/06/2018 at 11:19 #109920 | |
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MarkC
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bugsy in post 109919 said:Meld in post 109915 said:The menu option to use is Timetable --> Save As...After mergeing the tmetable goto to the timetable menu and use Save as from thereThis is what I did as I said above. It is the option under "Open (merge with current)" 
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| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 25/06/2018 at 11:23 #109921 | |
58050
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Another thing to note about King's Cross 1985 timetables. My version which is listed as 1985-1986 as the WTTs used covered that period also has all the pilot trip workings in the timetable & depot pilot movements at Bopunds Green T&RSMD & Hornsey EMUD. Also there is some ECS movements in Ferme Park CS which run to the LMR via the link line, plus other trip workings in the Hitchin area as well as some shunting there too. In Kurt's King's Cross 1985 timetable there aren't any trip workings in it at all. So if you want to be busy shunting then I suggest running my King's Cross 1985-1986 timetable as it's alot busier than the old version of the 1985 timetable. Someone mentioned Carlisle 1979-1980 timetable. Yes that's very busy, but when the loader is re-released soon that timetable has had a complete make over & apart from the main through passenger, parcels & freight traffic all of the associated trip workings for the area(& there's quite alot) would keep you more than busy. As a developer testing the new version of that timetable said that the 1979-1980 Carlisle timetable made King's Cross 1985-1986 timetable look like a baby's toy. The Carlisle 1979-1980 timetable should come with a health warning as it is busy right from the word go at midnight, with the exception of MONDAYS, however I started testing recently a MONDAY as that's the quieter one at start, but by 09.00 I had more than 27 trains on the panel. There are a myraid of GFs to operate as well. So far I don't think I've written a timetable quite as hectic in terms of shunt movements & trip workings YET!!!! Watch this space. But remember none of the traffic in the Carlisle 1979-1980 timetable is fictional(don't do ficticious timetables), everything you see actually ran during that period. Oh & on another note modern era timetables have no where near as many shunt movements as what you'd find in the BR era even if the modern era covered a large station or marhalling yard as all of the passenger trains are units & the freight traffic is all block trains. So if it's shunt movements your after then always go for a BR era timetable. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: norman B, Phil-jmw |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 25/06/2018 at 12:25 #109922 | |
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bugsy
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MarkC in post 109920 said:bugsy in post 109919 said:Exactly what I have said previously.Meld in post 109915 said:The menu option to use is Timetable --> Save As...After mergeing the tmetable goto to the timetable menu and use Save as from thereThis is what I did as I said above. But the tt won't appear in the loader tt options when starting a new simulation as I have said all along. It will onle be available when starting a previously saved game. We seem to be going in circles here Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Last edited: 25/06/2018 at 12:27 by bugsy Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Simulations with alot of shunting operations? 25/06/2018 at 12:37 #109923 | |
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Meld
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Have you renamed the saved WTT file that you merged into sim ??? Simple Quick Guide After opening Sim 1 - Go to the timetables menu and open/merge the old WTT/WTR timetable (which you appear to be able to do) 2 - After Merging timetable from the same timetable menu open save as (next line below open/merge) - then rename the timetable with a new different name from the original then save 3 - Reopen Sim and you should then see your version of the timetable in the TT list. An easy quick test to see if this has worked is to move the WTR file out of the folder, open the TT up and see if the rules tab is populated -if there are rules you've done it right Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Last edited: 25/06/2018 at 12:41 by Meld Reason: None given Log in to reply |