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| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 23/03/2019 at 21:04 #116595 | |
JamesN
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I’m sure there will be news on Staffordshire when there is news to give. As regards to the merits of other unreleased sims, discretion may be probably advisable as not all of us are in the privileged position of testing them; and respectfully some of your recent posts on the matter have come across with virtually a bragging tone to them. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Trainfan344, bri2808, y10g9 |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 23/03/2019 at 21:35 #116596 | |
HST125Scorton
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I'm only asking on a possible release day for the said sim..its not asking for the world to end!. Redacted by moderator I do appreciate the hard work involved within development of sims & timetables by authors on SimSig including all the testing and bug reporting. Aaron (AJRO) | Timetable Writer Last edited: 23/03/2019 at 22:10 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 23/03/2019 at 21:44 #116597 | |
pedroathome
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With Staffordshire, after the meet, more information came to light, making the simulation more realistic. While in development terms, a relatively small number of issues have been found by testers, some of the features I've added have taken a not insignificant amount of time to get correct. While I don't want to give an exact date, I'd like to think that it will be in this decade. James Log in to reply The following users said thank you: HST125Scorton, Mikhail, Trainfan344 |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 23/03/2019 at 21:51 #116598 | |
BenWright
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I'm going to definitely look forward to all of these sims. Are we able to see a price range for the 3 of them place? Just want to know the price of each of them lol Thanks 
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| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 23/03/2019 at 21:54 #116599 | |
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HST125Scorton
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pedroathome in post 116597 said:With Staffordshire, after the meet, more information came to light, making the simulation more realistic.Thank you James, I appreciate your answer regarding this. Aaron (AJRO) | Timetable Writer Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 01:46 #116604 | |
Hap
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New sims!! Woooo!!! let them flow from the loader when ready and let all enjoy those sims when made available. Nice work to all who was involved in the development and testing of the forthcoming simulations. FYI. Your Scottish reject has "gone off the rails this evening, after a slightly positive result) How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 08:43 #116607 | |
ajax103
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BenWright in post 116598 said:I'm going to definitely look forward to all of these sims. Are we able to see a price range for the 3 of them place? Just want to know the price of each of them lolI did ask this and was given a round figure of £30 for West Yorkshire and Sheffield but that's not set in stone and more a guess I would say. All three sims that were on view I certainly will be looking at purchasing as and when I can! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: BenWright |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 08:45 #116608 | |
headshot119
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Hap in post 116604 said:New sims!! Woooo!!! let them flow from the loader when ready and let all enjoy those sims when made available. Nice work to all who was involved in the development and testing of the forthcoming simulations.Although it would have been good to see you at the meet, very pleased it was a positive result! "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 11:54 #116611 | |
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HST125Scorton
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I'll make this quick.. I'm sorry for my strange and very odd rantings... I've had some personal issues and in result I'm suffering with a pain which resulted me in not attending the meet and also what seems to 'rattled cage' moments from me.. Anyway I'm looking forward to all the sims that roll out of production soon!! Aaron (AJRO) | Timetable Writer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: as1981 |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 13:27 #116613 | |
jc92
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GeoffM in post 116594 said:I can confirm Sheffield is the ROC version. It was written from scratch so it is a new sim.Geoff. Just a couple of things with Sheffield I noticed: Sheffield North siding is collared out of use (pointwork retained to act as a trap for P1) and there's hardly any track left. It was like that before the box closed. Masborough down goods is similarly OOU but retained in the interlocking with some interesting bushes and shrubbery growing in the 4 foot. The crossover at dearne Junction has been plain lined for a number of years although only the blades were removed. The sim looked amazing and I was able to have a short go on Rotherham 2 as well. Looking forward to it. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: 24/03/2019 at 16:19 by jc92 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 16:05 #116616 | |
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headshot119
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First of all, a thank you to everyone who attended yesterdays meet, there was a great atmosphere among members old and new! Secondly a thanks to Noel Young for providing the West Yorkshire simulation, along with 58050 for providing the excellent 1991 timetable, Geoff Mayo for the Sheffield (ROC) simulation, along with John Mills for providing the 2019 timetable to go along with it, and also the 2019 timetable for Sandhills. Thirdly to John Gallon for his sterling work in doing all the organisation. Screenshots of the three simulations are provided below, linked through the wiki, which should hopefully satisfy anyone who has a well known box site blocked at his workplace. As was said at the meet it is hoped to release West Yorkshire and Sheffield in the near future. Sandhills will be later on in the year. West Yorkshire Sheffield (ROC) Sandhills (Merseyrail) "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 24/03/2019 at 16:05 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: HST125Scorton, JamesN, Steamer, downfast, jc92, Splodge, Redbusman, Phil-jmw, andyb0607, y10g9, postal |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 16:33 #116619 | |
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mfloyd
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Anticipitation…..! The cash is aside ready...
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| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 16:54 #116621 | |
GeoffM
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jc92 in post 116613 said:GeoffM in post 116594 said:Thanks, but I don't generally bar things that were once active, or which are still in the interlocking and shown on the real ROC screens.I can confirm Sheffield is the ROC version. It was written from scratch so it is a new sim.Geoff. Just a couple of things with Sheffield I noticed: SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 18:25 #116623 | |
VInce
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Hi all, Not wishing to sound a discordant note, but from the look of these three sims I take it that the days of the single player sim is all but gone and now chaining appears to be the number one priority. From the sheer size and complexity of these sims they would appear to be unplayable for any single player without ARS especially if disruption is added into the mix. Latest formal releases Manchester South and Stockport are the same. I have four screens and some of them won't even fit across those. It must be impossible for those with only one screen to play with. This now seems to be a common trait with the latest sims on offer and, in my view represents a backward step. Not everyone wants to play Simsig with others and I do think the requirements of the single player are not now being considered at all. I know I'm not on my own in sharing this view having had contact with others who play this game regularly and I hear considerable disquiet about the direction Simsig appears to be going. If this continues, my interest in what is a normally excellent format will start to wane, I've no doubt. So, there I've stuck my head above the parapet and I stand here waiting to be shot at. Messages of both support and condemnation are welcome, but please keep personality assassination out of it. Vince PS Incidentally Exeter 80s is coming along well and should be around in a month's time or so. Including variants of the same train, over 800 trains in a 5 day timetable... I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 24/03/2019 at 18:31 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 18:32 #116624 | |
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headshot119
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With due respect to yourself Vince, the Manchester South simulation covers Manchester South SCC, and Macclesfield box, only two signallers look after the area in reality. Manchester South is double manned but only for need of meal relief or degraded working. Even if you removed Macclesfield it wouldn't reduce the workload much. Sandhills is similar, there are only two signallers in reality, and I don't think you would particularly struggle to run it, though you may want to leave ARS on for part of the Southport line (Where it's plain line but the crossing keepers look after the barriers) "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 24/03/2019 at 18:32 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 18:34 #116625 | |
Dick
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I have yet to find a sim I can't manage single handed without ARS, and yes, that does include London Bridge.
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| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 18:49 #116626 | |
Steamer
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VInce in post 116623 said:Hi all,I'm a bit surprised that those two simulations are being quoted as excessively large. Manchester South is considerably smaller, and a fair bit easier, than Exeter. Stockport can be made considerably easier by disabling the AB representation on start-up. From your previous postings, I gather you got on fine with Exeter, Derby and Peterborough? Neither MS or Stockport are harder than those. I'm not intending to 'shout you down' or anything, I'm just curious as to why you've cited those two simulations. Just to clarify, both West Yorkshire and Sheffield have the option to disable level crossings. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 19:08 #116627 | |
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jc92
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Agreed. Manchester South is more than manageable single player (it's one man in real life plus Macclesfield which is quiet) Stockport is fine with AB disabled but a good challenge with it on Other recent releases include Manchester North, East and hunts cross and peak district which are all similarly small one man operable Sims. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 19:25 #116628 | |
KymriskaDraken
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There are some smaller sims in the pipeline. I obviously can't give any details of what is on the way, but at least four of the sims that I am involved in testing can be managed by one plater. Kev Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 19:41 #116629 | |
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Trainfan344
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Where will these new sims chain to the existing sims?
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| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 19:49 #116630 | |
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headshot119
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Trainfan344 in post 116629 said:Where will these new sims chain to the existing sims?West Yorkshire Chains to : York North / South, Leeds East / West, Leeds Ardsley, Sheffield Sheffield (ROC) Chains to : Leeds Ardsley, West Yorkshire, Peak District (Needs an update), Worksop (Needs an update), , Huddersfield Sandhills Chains to : Edge Hill, North East Wales, Hunts Cross "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 24/03/2019 at 20:18 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 20:26 #116632 | |
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y10g9
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headshot119 in post 116630 said:Looking at the screen shot of Sheffield (ROC) and the Peak District sim, how are these going to be able to chain to each other, since the ROC version has dropped the hope valley line part that the PSB sim has, meaning that there is a gap between Edale and Totley Tunnel East. Is there a plan to add this onto the Peak District Sim? Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 20:30 #116633 | |
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DavidSplett
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I can see both sides of this one. Personally I can manage something like Kings Cross, Exeter or West Hampstead single handedly, albeit during disruption I’d say it’s very much on the boundary of what a single person can keep on top of. However it really doesn’t allow much time to make decisions such as turning trains short of their destination, missing stops, and such like, which whilst they fit more in the sphere of “control” rather than “signaller” are still part of the enjoyment, for some people at least. Something like the Victoria Line sim I find unmanageable during disruption because it’s virtually impossible to keep on top of all the trip edits and do the signalling at the same time. What I would personally find useful is if ARS would route something if the schedule has been modified, instead of making the train then default to non-ARS. This is certainly how modern-day LU signalling works, not sure if any of the modern systems on NR also work in this way. Log in to reply |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 20:37 #116634 | |
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headshot119
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y10g9 in post 116632 said:headshot119 in post 116630 said:That's the plan, hence the needs an update comment.Looking at the screen shot of Sheffield (ROC) and the Peak District sim, how are these going to be able to chain to each other, since the ROC version has dropped the hope valley line part that the PSB sim has, meaning that there is a gap between Edale and Totley Tunnel East. Is there a plan to add this onto the Peak District Sim? "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: y10g9 |
| Birmingham Meet, 23rd. March 2019 - Simulation Speculation 24/03/2019 at 20:44 #116635 | |
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KymriskaDraken
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y10g9 in post 116632 said:headshot119 in post 116630 said:As you guessed that's on the Peak District sim. Hopefully we can start beta-testing it next week and release it as soon as we can.Looking at the screen shot of Sheffield (ROC) and the Peak District sim, how are these going to be able to chain to each other, since the ROC version has dropped the hope valley line part that the PSB sim has, meaning that there is a gap between Edale and Totley Tunnel East. Is there a plan to add this onto the Peak District Sim? Kev Log in to reply |
