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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 23/02/2022 at 18:56 #145332
GeoffM
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6380 posts 		We head back to the Southern Region for our latest release - North Kent. This is commuter land, handling three busy commuter lines from London (London Bridge simulation) which all converge in the Dartford area. Freight is also an important customer, serving the large Hoo Yard area and the Isle of Grain.

In real life this is two workstations but with the help of ARS, one user can handle the whole area with little difficulty, yet busy enough to keep you on your toes. Enjoy this ideal simulation!

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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 23/02/2022 at 20:02 #145334
Dionysusnu
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Online 		Found some typos in the manual:
Quote:
gives access to the main line at Rocbester

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with the expection of

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electrified expect for
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 23/02/2022 at 20:09 #145335
DriverCurran
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695 posts 		Spelling mistakes corrected in manual. Many thanks for that

Paul
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 24/02/2022 at 01:46 #145350
Newhampshires
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101 posts 		Oh my goodness! I am over the moon.
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 24/02/2022 at 06:20 #145354
bri2808
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162 posts 		As a resident of Slade Green and a regular commuter from that station - To have my home station featured in SimSig was brilliant. It reminded me of when Geoff landed London Bridge in our laps and no one really knew it was on the horizon. Same for this one, in fact I was saving up my pennies for Crewe but some of that has now gone on this (Dont worry I'll no doubt get Crewe too).

Excellent work to all the team who developed this and I will crack on with learning all the shunting at Slade Green

Hopefully someone will do a new pre-covid timetable with Thaneslink thrown in as it was truly a busy commuter line before timetable reductions.
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 24/02/2022 at 13:18 #145364
Anothersignalman
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114 posts 		Is there a map of the area showing point numbers? I can't see it on the simulation outline page.

Also, I don't understand how to use the slotting system for the Slade Green yard. For train 5A26 on the 2009 timetable, I have SG52 and SG53 releases granted, but it still says a slot is required and clicking the green circles doesn't do anything as far as I can tell.
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 24/02/2022 at 13:44 #145366
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4869 posts 		Anothersignalman in post 145364 said:
Is there a map of the area showing point numbers? I can't see it on the simulation outline page.

Also, I don't understand how to use the slotting system for the Slade Green yard. For train 5A26 on the 2009 timetable, I have SG52 and SG53 releases granted, but it still says a slot is required and clicking the green circles doesn't do anything as far as I can tell.
The signal number plan will be in the manual in the next day or so.

As for 5A26, you need to ring the Slade Green T&RSMD PIC (SG 164 Slot) to get *2 granted to signal the train in.
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 24/02/2022 at 14:02 #145368
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114 posts 		headshot119 in post 145366 said:
As for 5A26, you need to ring the Slade Green T&RSMD PIC (SG 164 Slot) to get *2 granted to signal the train in.

How do I place that call?
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 24/02/2022 at 14:23 #145370
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1613 posts 		Anothersignalman in post 145368 said:
headshot119 in post 145366 said:
As for 5A26, you need to ring the Slade Green T&RSMD PIC (SG 164 Slot) to get *2 granted to signal the train in.

How do I place that call?
You can click on the telephone symbol on the main control panel, then select “place call” then in the drop down select the option headshot119 listed above.
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 24/02/2022 at 15:38 #145374
hotwellian
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211 posts 		Firstly thank you to all who developed this sim, which i am enjoying playing.

I do have a query regarding sending trains into Cliffe Brett Marine. I am attaching a save from 09:06, the 2015 timetable. I have 0Y91 waiting at NK 1611 as per TT. I have opened the lever frame, released ticked Permission to enter Cliffe, set the poiints, set the FPL to normal. But I cannot set a route to CLF5. I must be doing something wrong, but cannot understand what! I have follwed the procedures in the manual.

With previous trains for this siding, I have solved this by locking points and authorising the train to pass signal at danger.

Help, please!
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 24/02/2022 at 15:58 #145376
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4869 posts 		You need to leave the ground frame locked, and signal the train as far as NK509, the train will come to a stand at the ground frame and after a timout you can release the frame and operate it to allow the train in.
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 24/02/2022 at 16:04 #145377
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695 posts 		If I am understanding the situation then maybe the following will help.

Route the train from NK 1611 to NK 509 (treat it at this point as a train going to Grain). When the train arrives at Cliffe Ground Frame then release and set the ground frame for the train to enter the sidings. The reason you are unable to set the route from NK 1611 is that the ground frame needs to be proven normal to set the route.

Although the route goes upto NK 509 signal the driver will actually stop at the ground frame.

Beaten to it by Mr Latham..

Paul
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 24/02/2022 at 16:29 #145379
hotwellian
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211 posts 		Thanks, will do that fopr the next inbound train
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 24/02/2022 at 16:53 #145380
DaveHarries
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Online 		Many thanks, as always, to all involved with the development and testing of this simulation.

Dave
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 24/02/2022 at 18:13 #145382
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142 posts 		DaveHarries in post 145380 said:
Many thanks, as always, to all involved with the development and testing of this simulation.

Dave
Seconded. A very nice surprise.

Already got a licence for it, just need some time to have a play now!
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 25/02/2022 at 12:11 #145391
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95 posts 		Great to see this area released as it was my daily work place as a secondman/driver in BR days. Good to see the rule re freight trains being held at Strood until the signal protecting Rochester Bridge Jcn was cleared, with a heavy train this was essential as you'd struggle to get going if stopped on the Jcn signal itself although most drivers knew thhis and wouldnt leave Strood till they got a green.
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 25/02/2022 at 17:09 #145398
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38 posts 		congratulations to all involved with this excellent simulation.An area where i worked as a driver in the 80's bringing back happy memories
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 26/02/2022 at 17:58 #145420
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11 posts 		I encountered a few issues on my first run through, using the 2015-2017 era & included timetable:
- When reversing trains in Plumstead platform 1 to go to the CHS, ARS sets the route from NK107 to 518X (see "220226-172556 sim time 215610.ssg").
- No phone call notification (except the standard red signal call) or headcode interposed when trains enter at Northfleet Lafarge.
- NK139 (Slade Green) warner route clears with TNDNCC overlap track occupied (see "220226-175642 sim time 005250.ssg").
- If the route is cancelled from NK524 (SG East Headshunt) before a train departs, slot *7 will not be re-given and I cannot see a method to request it.
- No approach release timer on NK396 (Crayford Spur) when route cancelled with TNELFA/TNELFB tracks occupied.
- The manual says "Dartford Up Siding 2 has been taken out of use for safety concerns and as a result is shown within the sim with general isolations on the exit arrow and shunt signal" however no isolations appear at start up & trains are timetabled to use it?

OS: Windows 10 Enterprise 64bit
Loader: SimSig Loader version 5.19; Sim: Simulation North Kent; data version 1.0
License: Dynamic license in use
TT: North Kent 2015-04-08 SX v1.0.0
TT filename: North Kent 2015-04-08 SX.WTT
TT merged: False
Sim upgrade: False
Loader upgrade: False
Save reloaded: False
NSIMERA active at start
NERA2017 active at start
NSC1 choice 1
NSC2 choice 2
NSC3 active at start
NSC3 choice 3
NSC4 choice 4
NSC5 choice 5
NSC6 choice 6
NSC7 choice 7
NARS active at start
NARSON active at start
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 26/02/2022 at 19:03 #145423
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114 posts 		Don't know if this is an issue or not; there appears to be inconsistent interlocking at Hoo Junction. The mainline trailing crossover locks the crossover to P2 Sidings normal, but it is possible to put the P2 Sidings crossover reverse and then put the mainline trailing crossover reverse. Mechanical interlocking would not permit that, but maybe the software is supposed to? Creating the fault requires putting the yard crossover reverse and locking reverse, then it is possible to throw and lock reverse the trailing crossover. When the P2 crossover is released it auto-normalises, but based on the other end of the yard I'd have expected the siding crossover reverse to forbid putting the trailing crossover reverse in the first place?
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 26/02/2022 at 20:41 #145428
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2799 posts 		Anothersignalman in post 145423 said:
Don't know if this is an issue or not; there appears to be inconsistent interlocking at Hoo Junction. The mainline trailing crossover locks the crossover to P2 Sidings normal, but it is possible to put the P2 Sidings crossover reverse and then put the mainline trailing crossover reverse. Mechanical interlocking would not permit that, but maybe the software is supposed to?
I don't know what the actual situation is at Hoo Junction, but note that electric locking (including the interlocking in relay PSBs and SSIs) isn't automatically symmetrical. If you want both cases to happen, they have to be added independently. And sometimes they deliberately aren't; only one of the two cases is there for some reason.
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 26/02/2022 at 22:06 #145431
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695 posts 		Evening Shwam3

I am looking through your posting from this evening. A couple of quick questions if I may

1 - Regarding the clearance of 139 with NCC track shown occupied, when I run the save file (Many thanks for having that attached) I immediately get a phone call from 5Z00 to report an adverse change of aspect. I don't suppose you can remember what actions you took whilst 5Z00 was on route from Plumstead Down Sidings to Slade Green?

2 - The date of the timetable is 2015 and Up Siding 2 at Dartford was taken out of use in 2016, this accounts for trains being booked into that siding. Having looked through the list of options in the log file (Again many thanks for attaching) it looks like the reason that the isolations haven't applied is that in the 'standard simulation' indicated by "NSC3 active at start", the siding is deemed open for traffic. This leads nicely into....

3 - The operator at Northfleet Lafarge will only interpose when in 'easy' mode. This has raised a question to dig into the operation of Northfleet further.

4 - With regards to NK 396 this has been raised to myself on the internal issue tracker, and has now been marked as resolved for release.

Cheers

Paul
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 26/02/2022 at 23:14 #145432
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11 posts 		DriverCurran in post 145431 said:
Evening Shwam3

I am looking through your posting from this evening. A couple of quick questions if I may

Thanks for looking into these Paul.

DriverCurran in post 145431 said:
1 - Regarding the clearance of 139 with NCC track shown occupied, when I run the save file (Many thanks for having that attached) I immediately get a phone call from 5Z00 to report an adverse change of aspect. I don't suppose you can remember what actions you took whilst 5Z00 was on route from Plumstead Down Sidings to Slade Green?

The ACOA is my own doing and not related to the issue. I didn't have a save from when it occurred naturally so when recreating the issue for the save I inadvertently cancelled the signal right as it cleared.

DriverCurran in post 145431 said:
2 - The date of the timetable is 2015 and Up Siding 2 at Dartford was taken out of use in 2016, this accounts for trains being booked into that siding. Having looked through the list of options in the log file (Again many thanks for attaching) it looks like the reason that the isolations haven't applied is that in the 'standard simulation' indicated by "NSC3 active at start", the siding is deemed open for traffic. This leads nicely into....

I see the separate startup option now, however the manual has the info about the siding closure under the 2017 era heading which caused my confusion.

DriverCurran in post 145431 said:
3 - The operator at Northfleet Lafarge will only interpose when in 'easy' mode. This has raised a question to dig into the operation of Northfleet further.

I have now noticed the manual says "Trains departing from the [Lafarge] sidings will be described by the person in charge, and will proceed onto the departure road." it makes no mention of easy mode.

Thanks for the response.
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 27/02/2022 at 07:54 #145434
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7 posts 		Very excited to try the sim. Would somebody mind posting some screenshots of the panels? (I haven’t been able to make it to the PC to take a look yet!). TIA.
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 28/02/2022 at 16:27 #145455
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234 posts 		Really enjoying this. Are there any plans for help identifying the Headcodes. Something similar was done on LTS and was very helpful.
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North Kent (Dartford) Released! 01/03/2022 at 18:18 #145500
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1123 posts 		iainsheppard in post 145434 said:
Very excited to try the sim. Would somebody mind posting some screenshots of the panels? (I haven’t been able to make it to the PC to take a look yet!). TIA.
Umm you do have the option of a 15 minute trial to check out the simulation which is more then enough as it should be on the loader provided you are running the most recent version.
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