Warrington Summer 1992 TT

I must purchase Warrington sim next so i can get to grips with the wonderful looking 1992 timetable!
Just need to continue with York N&S 1991 timetable first

May I please ask about 9T15 / T.15-D11 from Arpley across to Crosfields Siding - it enters at signal 213, but I would have expected it to enter via the hole and go directly in via signal 212.

I'm not sure how to get it from Arpley 213 signal straight into Crosfields without adding some shunting moves to its table. Any ideas?

May I please ask about 9T15 / T.15-D11 from Arpley across to Crosfields Siding - it enters at signal 213, but I would have expected it to enter via the hole and go directly in via signal 212.

I'm not sure how to get it from Arpley 213 signal straight into Crosfields without adding some shunting moves to its table. Any ideas?

flabberdacks in post 155828 said:

May I please ask about 9T15 / T.15-D11 from Arpley across to Crosfields Siding - it enters at signal 213, but I would have expected it to enter via the hole and go directly in via signal 212.

I'm not sure how to get it from Arpley 213 signal straight into Crosfields without adding some shunting moves to its table. Any ideas?

On some of the shunt moves from Arpley Sdgs on the phone messgae you get an option as to which signal the train actually enters & the options are above one another on the list & I suspected you clicked on the wrong option. I made that mistake once before by clicking the wrong entry signal for T.15 to go to Dallam Sdgs & it entered via 212. I suspected you clicked on enter train at 213 as opposed to entering train at 212. Users need to be very careful with those pilot trips & select the correct entry signal.

Ah yes that's probably what I've done. Cheers.

Another thing, 6L34 / 6L3408302 has entered and has the exact same timings at Acton Grange Jn/Runcorn East/Frodsham Jn as the 7D06 / 7D061012-B which I already have on sim. I've got no problem regulating it, it's fun, but normally these kind of things are on decisions or run on different days. I am on a Wednesday.

I've noted that trains to Wigan Wallgate won't get a slot unless a TD exists. Can this be added to the manual please ? It took me ages to figure out. I had a train without a TD sitting at Wigan junction and the signal just would not clear.

Just a quick question.

I've got 0T15 which has just detached from 6T77 and due to head to Arpley Sidings and I've set a route towards Arpley Jn.
I presume that that it is the Loco Sidings at Arpley Jn. because if it was 'Arpley Sidings' at Walton Old Jn. the timetable would include a reverse at signal 222 which is at Walton Old Jn.

Am I correct?
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Just a quick question.

I've got 0T15 which has just detached from 6T77 and due to head to Arpley Sidings and I've set a route towards Arpley Jn.
I presume that that it is the Loco Sidings at Arpley Jn. because if it was 'Arpley Sidings' at Walton Old Jn. the timetable would include a reverse at signal 222 which is at Walton Old Jn.

Am I correct?
.....

Having trouble with 9T15 / T.15-E2.

It's decided it wants to run the loco around on the main line at Arpley Jn instead of moving into Latchford/MSC sdgs as others all have. Allowed the loco to detach forward into Latchford Sdg expecting it to run down to the neck and back out, but it's turned straight back around behind AJ9 sig and wants to come back onto the front of the train.

Also 6T76 / T.76-C11WFO has entered behind it and is being badly delayed by the shunting ahead.

No chance 9T15 could head into Latchford/MSC to run the loco around like other trains have by any chance?

bugsy in post 155846 said:

Just a quick question.

I've got 0T15 which has just detached from 6T77 and due to head to Arpley Sidings and I've set a route towards Arpley Jn.
I presume that that it is the Loco Sidings at Arpley Jn. because if it was 'Arpley Sidings' at Walton Old Jn. the timetable would include a reverse at signal 222 which is at Walton Old Jn.

Am I correct?
.....

No if you egt a train that enters from Fddlers Ferry Power Station with just 34 empty MGR wagons thgis mean 2 wagons have been detached from the train at Fiddlers Ferry Power Station due to the C&W examiner finding defects on them & they have been detached. Arpley Sdgs. pilot T.15 enters the sim via AJ45 signal & goes into the 'Traffic Sdgs.' which is where they do wagon repairs & or maintenance. The pilot will then re-enter to stand behind AJ47 signal. When the associated trip goes into Latchford MSC Sdgs. You then signal t.15 to follow it into the MSC Sdgs at Arpley Jn. The pilot joins the empty wagons & then the shunt engine detaches & goes back to Arpley Sdgs via the route it came in[eg: exits via AJ45 signal] It doesn't run all the way to Walton Old Jn & enter Arpley Sdgs via that route so you need to get the slot so it can go back into Arpley Sdgs via AJ45. This move may occur more than once when you play this TT so be warned. Bugsy in your screengrab you've set the route wrong for 0T15 to go back to Arpley Sdgs.

58050 in post 155849 said:

bugsy in post 155846 said:

Just a quick question.

I've got 0T15 which has just detached from 6T77 and due to head to Arpley Sidings and I've set a route towards Arpley Jn.
I presume that that it is the Loco Sidings at Arpley Jn. because if it was 'Arpley Sidings' at Walton Old Jn. the timetable would include a reverse at signal 222 which is at Walton Old Jn.

Am I correct?
.....

No if you egt a train that enters from Fddlers Ferry Power Station with just 34 empty MGR wagons thgis mean 2 wagons have been detached from the train at Fiddlers Ferry Power Station due to the C&W examiner finding defects on them & they have been detached. Arpley Sdgs. pilot T.15 enters the sim via AJ45 signal & goes into the 'Traffic Sdgs.' which is where they do wagon repairs & or maintenance. The pilot will then re-enter to stand behind AJ47 signal. When the associated trip goes into Latchford MSC Sdgs. You then signal t.15 to follow it into the MSC Sdgs at Arpley Jn. The pilot joins the empty wagons & then the shunt engine detaches & goes back to Arpley Sdgs via the route it came in[eg: exits via AJ45 signal] It doesn't run all the way to Walton Old Jn & enter Arpley Sdgs via that route so you need to get the slot so it can go back into Arpley Sdgs via AJ45. This move may occur more than once when you play this TT so be warned. Bugsy in your screengrab you've set the route wrong for 0T15 to go back to Arpley Sdgs.

Oh dear. I forgot where the Arpley sidings actually were. I've sent trains there before so I obviously had a memory failure on this occasion.

Thanks for reminding me. I'll have to cancel the route that I've set incorrectly and suffer the consequences. 😕 And I apologise for all my queries.

flabberdacks in post 155845 said:

Having trouble with 9T15 / T.15-E2.

It's decided it wants to run the loco around on the main line at Arpley Jn instead of moving into Latchford/MSC sdgs as others all have. Allowed the loco to detach forward into Latchford Sdg expecting it to run down to the neck and back out, but it's turned straight back around behind AJ9 sig and wants to come back onto the front of the train.

Also 6T76 / T.76-C11WFO has entered behind it and is being badly delayed by the shunting ahead.

No chance 9T15 could head into Latchford/MSC to run the loco around like other trains have by any chance?

Like in my previous post I explained that on certain trains wagons get detached at Fiddlers Ferry Power Station on a daily basis due to defects found on those wagons. There is a daily run to Fiddlers Ferry Power Station to collect the defective wagons & bring them back to the Traffic Sdgs for repairs. When this train enters the loco detaches off the wagons between AJ51 & AJ13 signals on the main line. The pilot[0T15] is then signalled into Latchford MSC Sdgs where it will stop & reverse behind AJ16/17 & you then signal it to stop behind AJ 47 where it should then be routed back onto the wagons between AJ51 & AJ13. Once the pilot has joined its wagons it then goes back behind AJ47 & shunts the crippled wagons into the 'Treaffic Sdgs.' Once all that has been done the pilot then comes out of the Traffic Sdgs & IIRC goes back into Arpley Yard via AJ45. Hope this helps. 9T15 does not go into Latchford MSC Sdg. on the Arpley Jn panel.

58050 in post 155850 said:

flabberdacks in post 155845 said:

Having trouble with 9T15 / T.15-E2.

It's decided it wants to run the loco around on the main line at Arpley Jn instead of moving into Latchford/MSC sdgs as others all have. Allowed the loco to detach forward into Latchford Sdg expecting it to run down to the neck and back out, but it's turned straight back around behind AJ9 sig and wants to come back onto the front of the train.

Also 6T76 / T.76-C11WFO has entered behind it and is being badly delayed by the shunting ahead.

No chance 9T15 could head into Latchford/MSC to run the loco around like other trains have by any chance?

Like in my previous post I explained that on certain trains wagons get detached at Fiddlers Ferry Power Station on a daily basis due to defects found on those wagons. There is a daily run to Fiddlers Ferry Power Station to collect the defective wagons & bring them back to the Traffic Sdgs for repairs. When this train enters the loco detaches off the wagons between AJ51 & AJ13 signals on the main line. The pilot[0T15] is then signalled into Latchford MSC Sdgs where it will stop & reverse behind AJ16/17 & you then signal it to stop behind AJ 47 where it should then be routed back onto the wagons between AJ51 & AJ13. Once the pilot has joined its wagons it then goes back behind AJ47 & shunts the crippled wagons into the 'Treaffic Sdgs.' Once all that has been done the pilot then comes out of the Traffic Sdgs & IIRC goes back into Arpley Yard via AJ45. Hope this helps. 9T15 does not go into Latchford MSC Sdg. on the Arpley Jn panel.

That makes sense, thanks for the explanation.

The key issue is that when the loco detaches from the front of 9T15, if it's signalled straight forward into Latchford Sdg, it turns around immediately behind the first signal and doesn't put itself in a position where it can be run around (doesn't go all the way to the neck) - the only option is to bring it back onto the front of the train.

What I've learnt in the first place about Pascal's lovely timetables are always read the timetable for every single train or movement. Fail to do this, the result is unpredictable :)

What I've learnt in the first place about Pascal's lovely timetables are always read the timetable for every single train or movement. Fail to do this, the result is unpredictable :)