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Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 31/08/2012 at 23:22 #35323 | |
GeoffM
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First trial their new announcer for West Coast on home turf first... [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP6-E617Pb4[/video] SimSig Boss Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Josie, jc92 |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 01/09/2012 at 08:23 #35325 | |
moonraker
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Nice one . There's a certain Blue & White building in Swindon town centre where I'd like to send a few Daleks to do their worst :whistle:
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Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 03/10/2012 at 00:00 #35981 | |
postal
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And now the fix is in . . . . http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19809717 “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply The following user said thank you: GeoffM |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 03/10/2012 at 00:46 #35982 | |
Underwood
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!! So will Virgin carry on as is or will it be like the current East Coast operation? Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 03/10/2012 at 00:46 #35983 | |
Zoe
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All other franchise competitions are now on hold pending two independent reviews. DfT announcement at http://www.dft.gov.uk/news/press-releases/dft-press-20121003a DfT said:
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Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 03/10/2012 at 01:17 #35984 | |
GeoffM
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Wow. Technical flaws and people suspended. This'll be one to watch for sure.
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Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 03/10/2012 at 05:01 #35985 | |
pilotman
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Of course that stupid woman Greening already lost her job. I do hate it when people like McLoughlin say "lessons to be learned". The police and others use the phrase as well. At the rate they're being paid shouldn't they be able to provide some foresight, not wait for events to teach them. I could be Transport Secretary on that basis.
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Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 03/10/2012 at 09:01 #35986 | |
postal
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The Stock Market clearly has a view that even using the First Group figures which Virgin regarded as unsustainable there was a big profit to come from the WCML franchise. At the time of writing the First Group share price is just shy of 20% down on last night's close.
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Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 03/10/2012 at 09:33 #35987 | |
kbarber
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" said:The Stock Market clearly has a view that even using the First Group figures which Virgin regarded as unsustainable there was a big profit to come from the WCML franchise. At the time of writing the First Group share price is just shy of 20% down on last night's close. I'm not surprised. I haven't read Roger Ford's analysis in full yet, but from what I've so far seen it's very clear the First premium profile was heavily backloaded. For First Group that's equivalent to saying "heads I win, tails you lose". If the passengers come flocking in, they're on a nice little earner and stay in until the end of the franchise. If they lose their bet, they could hand the keys back after they've taken the profits they'd make in the early years but before the really eye-watering premium payments kick in. (I'm not saying they would, mind, but business is business and the directors' duty to their shareholders might dictate that they should - as indeed it dictates that they bid in a way that puts profits a long way ahead of the national interest.) Meanwhile, I wonder if I'm the only one who hears the sound of face-saving, backside-covering and posh boys sacking a servant or two? Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 15/10/2012 at 07:42 #36494 | |
peterb
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DafT are in negotiations with Virgin which would allow Virgin to continue running the franchise in the interim while the tender process is run again Quote: Virgin in talks on West Coast route contract extensionhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19944782 Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 15/10/2012 at 08:32 #36495 | |
Peter Bennet
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Opens a can of worms that does.... Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 15/10/2012 at 09:36 #36496 | |
kbarber
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" said:Opens a can of worms that does.... ...and no doubt m'learned friends are looking forward to the feast! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: jc92 |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 15/10/2012 at 15:08 #36508 | |
Signalhunter
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" said:" said:As well as the pay packet.Opens a can of worms that does.... Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 06/12/2012 at 08:35 #38776 | |
AndyG
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Virgin to run WCML until 9 Nov 2014. BBC News item. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: officer dibble |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 06/12/2012 at 19:16 #38806 | |
nnr
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.......but we all know the franchised "competitive" railway is costing the taxpayer three times as much as the "inefficient" BR. You cannot have a railway which is horizontally integrated. A certain Stephenson, G. proved that over 170 years ago. Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 06/12/2012 at 20:24 #38810 | |
Peter Bennet
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" said:.......but we all know the franchised "competitive" railway is costing the taxpayer three times as much as the "inefficient" BR.Bit of generalisation - is that real terms - what are the figures? " said: Why not? " said: How did he do that? I have not got a clue whether you are right or wrong but I'd like to know the facts behind the assertions. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 06/12/2012 at 22:42 #38833 | |
nnr
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In 1990 the railways received £586m in public subsidies to provide unprofitable, but socially necessary services. (approx £1.3bn at 2011 prices) Last year, the TOCs alone received a net rebate of £2.7bn of your money. Stephenson at the outset put out the track maintenance to outside contractors and had open access for any operator. With the former, he found either a) they were subbing out to others who were not really qualified and b) the job was not being done to his standards.(does this sound familiar) He gradually let the contracts lapse and did the jobs "in house " - and did them better and cheaper. In the latter case, he found companies with low powered and/or unreliable engines and poor rolling stock blocked the line for other profitable traffic, so he stopped the open access. These are matters of historical fact. For some of the reasons why you cannot run a horizontally integrated railway, please refer to the above. For all the vast expenditure on this latest west Coast franchise fiasco, not one extra train has been run and the taxpayer will pick up the bill. We have the most costly railway and the highest fares in Europe, yet our railways are nowhere near the standard of continental railways - and i've travelled on a few. Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 06/12/2012 at 22:51 #38834 | |
benstafford
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I always take issue with the " European railways are better" comment. Yes the French have shiny TGVs and we need those, but in terms of frequency of regional services and quality of stock on urban services (LOndon and Paris compared) Britain wins hands down. Can't argue with the price though.
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Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 06/12/2012 at 22:59 #38835 | |
jc92
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" said:I always take issue with the " European railways are better" comment. Yes the French have shiny TGVs and we need those, but in terms of frequency of regional services and quality of stock on urban services (LOndon and Paris compared) Britain wins hands down. Can't argue with the price though.however all that shiny london stock is at the expense of us northerners! we still have to put up with pacers "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 06/12/2012 at 23:26 #38837 | |
Peter Bennet
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" said:EU legislation requires vertical dis-integration. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 06/12/2012 at 23:36 #38838 | |
Peter Bennet
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" said:In 1990 the railways received £586m in public subsidies to provide unprofitable, but socially necessary services. (approx £1.3bn at 2011 prices)I'm struggling to find the source of these figures and what the full facts behind them are. For example what was the relative investment into fixed assets. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 07/12/2012 at 15:29 #38863 | |
kbarber
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" said:" said:In 1990 the railways received £586m in public subsidies to provide unprofitable, but socially necessary services. (approx £1.3bn at 2011 prices)I'm struggling to find the source of these figures and what the full facts behind them are. For example what was the relative investment into fixed assets. I haven't looked up the exact figures but, in general (and for analyses that are seemingly accepted by D(a)fT itself as authoritative), see Roger Ford (Modern Railways), passim, ad nauseum. Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 08/12/2012 at 08:31 #38884 | |
benstafford
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" said:" said:True, but they do run at a better frequency than most rural/regional French trains - all day rather than at peaks only for instance. I would rather have a pacer hourly than a smart new train three times a day. Mind you a smart new train hourly would be best of all!I always take issue with the " European railways are better" comment. Yes the French have shiny TGVs and we need those, but in terms of frequency of regional services and quality of stock on urban services (LOndon and Paris compared) Britain wins hands down. Can't argue with the price though.however all that shiny london stock is at the expense of us northerners! we still have to put up with pacers Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 08/12/2012 at 08:32 #38885 | |
benstafford
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" said:" said:But we could pay the same lip service to that as the rest of Europe doesEU legislation requires vertical dis-integration. Log in to reply |
Virgin loses West Coast Franchise to First Group 08/12/2012 at 17:22 #38916 | |
Peter Bennet
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" said:" said:Which others have not vertically dis-integrated?" said:But we could pay the same lip service to that as the rest of Europe doesEU legislation requires vertical dis-integration. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |