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Quiz-time 08/05/2013 at 22:11 #44442
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Hehe
and: The first railway to use colour-light signals?
and another: At this station, the trains go West and East although they are heading North and South and, the trains go North and South although they are heading East and West?

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Quiz-time 08/05/2013 at 22:40 #44443
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Trains from Yagoona NSW Australia take the same time in each direction to reach Sydney Central Station. Up trains run via Bankstown and Down trains run via Lidcombe. You didn't say what country?
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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 01:17 #44445
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England, old boy.
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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 05:40 #44448
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" said:
At this station, the trains go West and East although they are heading North and South?
Dundee, Edinburgh (and Haymarket), Motherwell, Paisley, Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester Victoria, Nottingham.

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 05:54 #44449
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At this station, the trains go West and East although they are heading North and South and, the trains go North and South although they are heading East and West?

Tamworth?

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 06:05 #44450
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" said:

and another: At this station, the trains go West and East although they are heading North and South and, the trains go North and South although they are heading East and West?
London. Far too many candidates for a single answer.

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 08:56 #44451
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Hehe
and: The first railway to use colour-light signals?

Several possibilities, depending on your precise definition of colour light signals.
Metropolitan District Railway - a spectacle plate moving vertically in front of a lamp - underground sections only.
First use of daylight clour light signals was the Liverpool Overhead Railway (initially with a wierd system of automatic operation by brushes on each train contacting a metal ramp, I believe).
First daylight colour light signals on a main line railway: LNER (technically - in fact it was post-1923 commissioning of a GCR scheme) between Marylebone and Neasden - 3-aspect signalling provided in connection with the British Empire Exhibition of 1924. The signals remained in use until the present IECC took over (1991?), complete with what I believe to have been 3-position relays, which caused an interesting effect on the diagram in Marylebone box. (Incidentally the original diagram remained in Neasden South until the end and had TC indications lit when tracks were clear, becoming extinguished when occupied.)

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 11:57 #44458
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Name stations were passenger-trains leave in both directions to get to the same destination station.
sheffield - chesterfield via bradway (normal route) and via the old road (for route knowledge maintainence.)

you can get to leeds from wakefield kirkgate both ways aswell as at least one sheffield - leeds fast reverses and takes the curve via westgate and outwood for route knowledge maintenance.

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Reason: typo

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 15:55 #44463
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Unsure if this'll count, but here goes anyway....

As I only found out or worked out very recently whilst playing a timetable on Southampton, a Salisbury to Romsey train (e.g.: 2R22) or a Romsey to Salisbury train (e.g.: 2S23) calls at Romsey twice.
At Romsey, these trains are announced as going to Chandler's Ford (2R22) or Redbridge (2S23), to avoid saying a train terminates at Romsey, or calls at Romsey while it is at Romsey. Does this happen anywhere else, for example what do Waterloo-Waterloo trains display on the board at London?

This can lead to confusion, as the quickest way to get to Chandler's Ford (the next stop) is not to get the Chandler's Ford train (42 min) but the Redbridge train (7 min). I know many people who have made this mistake and have gone the wrong way round.

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 16:00 #44464
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" said:

At Romsey, these trains are announced as going to Chandler's Ford (2R22) or Redbridge (2S23), to avoid saying a train terminates at Romsey, or calls at Romsey while it is at Romsey. Does this happen anywhere else, for example what do Waterloo-Waterloo trains display on the board at London?

This can lead to confusion, as the quickest way to get to Chandler's Ford (the next stop) is not to get the Chandler's Ford train (42 min) but the Redbridge train (7 min). I know many people who have made this mistake and have gone the wrong way round.
leeds- harrogate- york trains are announced as terminating at poppleton, and the return service is announced as terminating at burley park, to avoid similar confusion for passengers who could get to leeds via a TPX or northern service via church fenton.

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 16:03 #44466
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Similar thing happens at Oxford. The 2PXX trains (stoppers to Paddington) are announced as Ealing Broadway until you get into outer London to avoid the confusion of getting a slower Turbo vice a faster HST or Adelante. Seems to have been quite effective, Ill always remember the scenes on a Saturday there when I started a Thames Rover, an HST on the 09:01 was filled whilst the Turbo on the 09:07 stopper was empty!
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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 17:02 #44471
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FCC's "slow" trains to Cambridge are advertised as Foxton at KX because the "Cruiser" trains overtake. Oddly they don't do the same for the "slow" Peterborough trains, I did ask why once but they had no answer.

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 17:16 #44472
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If I remember correctly, Sheffield - Nottingham (I'm sure I did this route once late at night and we left the station in the opposite direction to Normal...I think due to engineering works...though as I said, it was late at night...I could be wrong ;))
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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 17:17 #44473
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Not sure about the Waterloo to Waterloo rounders (even as an ex Tonbridge driver, who go anywhere lol) as those are out of my area of knowledge, but on the SE division the Charing Cross to Ramsgate & Ramsgate, where one part goes the short route via Canterbury West and the other goes via the coast route (Dover) the Dover portion is advertised prior to Ashford International as a Ramsgate and Sandwich service. The Cannon Street rounders always used to be advertised as Cannon Street to Slade Green and Cannon Street to Crayford services.

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 17:24 #44474
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I have a question if I may:

Can you name stations in the UK that are operated by a TOC even though none of their services use that station?

I'll get the ball rolling: Burton-upon-Trent. Owned by EMT but only served by XC

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 17:26 #44475
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Water orton, run by London Midland, only XC call, and you can even buy London Midland only tickets from the TVM.
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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 17:37 #44476
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I have a question if I may:

Can you name stations in the UK that are operated by a TOC even though none of their services use that station?
Lockerbie - operated by Scotrail but no Scotrail services call there (for now).

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 18:30 #44477
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FCC's "slow" trains to Cambridge are advertised as Foxton at KX because the "Cruiser" trains overtake. Oddly they don't do the same for the "slow" Peterborough trains, I did ask why once but they had no answer.

Peter
Peter,

It might be because FCC operate the slow and "Cruiser" trains to Cambridge, but the slow trains to Peterborough are in competition with East Coast's fast trains. In BR days the slow trains (now London Midland) from Birmingham to London via Northampton were advertised as going to Watford Junction. I can't remember if it was sectorisation or privatisation when the changed to London Euston.

Peter.

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 18:49 #44479
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I have a question if I may:

Can you name stations in the UK that are operated by a TOC even though none of their services use that station?

I'll get the ball rolling: Burton-upon-Trent. Owned by EMT but only served by XC
Willington - Operated by EMT, served only by XC
Wilnecote - Opertated by London Midland, served only by XC
Hinkley - Operated by EMT, served only by XC
South Wigston - Operated by EMT, served only by XC
Coleshill Parkway - Operated by London Midland, served only by XC
Melton Mowbray, Oakham and Stamford are all operated by EMT, but only XC provide a regular service with EMT calling on on an early morning Nottingham - Norwich service

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 18:50 #44480
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Melton Mowbray, Oakham and Stamford are all operated by EMT, but only XC provide a regular service with EMT calling on on an early morning Nottingham - Norwich service
That one doesn't count! Is still served by the TOC that operates the station...even if it is only just!

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 18:52 #44482
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Melton Mowbray, Oakham and Stamford are all operated by EMT, but only XC provide a regular service with EMT calling on on an early morning Nottingham - Norwich service
That one doesn't count! Is still served by the TOC that operates the station...even if it is only just! :P
I thought I'd sneak it in and see if anyone noticed

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 18:54 #44483
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I have a question if I may:

Can you name stations in the UK that are operated by a TOC even though none of their services use that station?

I'll get the ball rolling: Burton-upon-Trent. Owned by EMT but only served by XC
DO the Network Rail owned/managed stations count, as NR is not a TOC

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 18:59 #44485
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" said:
I have a question if I may:

Can you name stations in the UK that are operated by a TOC even though none of their services use that station?

I'll get the ball rolling: Burton-upon-Trent. Owned by EMT but only served by XC
DO the Network Rail owned/managed stations count, as NR is not a TOC :p
WELL if you want to be technical, NR do operate some trains (mainly maintenance) so...I dunno depends how pedantic you want to be!

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 19:02 #44486
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" said:
" said:
" said:
I have a question if I may:

Can you name stations in the UK that are operated by a TOC even though none of their services use that station?

I'll get the ball rolling: Burton-upon-Trent. Owned by EMT but only served by XC
DO the Network Rail owned/managed stations count, as NR is not a TOC :p
WELL if you want to be technical, NR do operate some trains (mainly maintenance) so...I dunno depends how pedantic you want to be!
I suppose so

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Quiz-time 09/05/2013 at 20:20 #44491
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Oddly they don't do the same for the "slow" Peterborough trains, I did ask why once but they had no answer.
Probably because it doesn't really matter if going north of Stevenage (inclusive) if you get, say, the 11:23 - which is due into PBO at 12:38; or the 11:36 - which is due into PBO at 13:05/13:06; the 12:23 is due into PBO at 13:37/38; and so on and so forth.

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