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| All RAIB Reports 06/04/2016 at 17:05 #81663 | |
GeoffM
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" said:" said:Fences. Normally they're sufficient - in fact I don't recall a mooltiple animal event causing a derailment for quite some time before this.RAIB has today released its report into a passenger train derailment at Godmersham, Kent, 26 July 2015.Never got why the UK wasn't big on installing cow catchers. SimSig Boss Last edited: 06/04/2016 at 17:15 by GeoffM Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 06/04/2016 at 17:19 #81664 | |
kbarber
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" said:" said:RAIB has today released its report into a passenger train derailment at Godmersham, Kent, 26 July 2015.Never got why the UK wasn't big on installing cow catchers. I think it's these things called fences. By the way, don't blame the railway for all the fences. Parliament, in its infinite wisdome, required that the railway be fenced along its entire length for the purpose not of keeping livestock out but for keeping trains in! (Neither the first nor the last time that our representatives have shown themselves ignorant of the technicalities...) Needless to say, the party in power at the time the first railways were constructed represented primarily the landed interests rather than those of the industrialists. Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 06/04/2016 at 17:22 #81665 | |
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kbarber
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" said:" said:I've an idea Polmont was the last (30th July 1984), though I think that may have been a single rather than a multiple animal." said:Fences. Normally they're sufficient - in fact I don't recall a mooltiple animal event causing a derailment for quite some time before this.RAIB has today released its report into a passenger train derailment at Godmersham, Kent, 26 July 2015.Never got why the UK wasn't big on installing cow catchers. Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 06/04/2016 at 17:42 #81666 | |
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Danny252
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From the RAIB report, there was a similar derailment at Letterston Junction in 2012, and an incident in 2015 when a train struck cows and came to a stop, and was then derailed when attempting to move clear of the cows. It also notes a derailment with a fatality in Germany in 2012 (the wording might imply this is the only accident of a similar nature with fatalities since Polmont?).
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| All RAIB Reports 06/04/2016 at 17:48 #81668 | |
KymriskaDraken
963 posts |
" said:" said:I think this may be due, at least in part, to the Rule change post-Polmont. Before that accident trains were allowed to run at caution with any sort of animals on the line; afterwards the job gets stopped for any large animal within the boundary fence, whether it is immediately endangering trains or not." said:Fences. Normally they're sufficient - in fact I don't recall a mooltiple animal event causing a derailment for quite some time before this.RAIB has today released its report into a passenger train derailment at Godmersham, Kent, 26 July 2015.Never got why the UK wasn't big on installing cow catchers. Kev Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 18/04/2016 at 18:08 #81909 | |
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AndyG
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RAIB has today released its report into a tram collision with a pedestrian near Market Street tram stop, Manchester, 12 May 2015. R062016_160412_Market_Street.pdf I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 19/04/2016 at 18:06 #81918 | |
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Jersey_Mike
250 posts |
Wait, so every time a tram has a fender bender on surface streets the RIAB investigates? What about a trolleybus?
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| All RAIB Reports 19/04/2016 at 19:24 #81920 | |
pedroathome
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" said:Wait, so every time a tram has a fender bender on surface streets the RIAB investigates? What about a trolleybus?It was a rail incident, the Rail Accident Investigation Branch investigated. Dare I say it, in this country (The UK) we take our rail safety seriousally Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 19/04/2016 at 19:54 #81921 | |
Steamer
3985 posts |
" said:" said:The RAIB is notified of any incidents where either injury or damage to trains/infrastructure occurred, or had the potential to occur. The notification guidelines can be found online.Wait, so every time a tram has a fender bender on surface streets the RIAB investigates? What about a trolleybus?It was a rail incident, the Rail Accident Investigation Branch investigated. Dare I say it, in this country (The UK) we take our rail safety seriousally They then decide whether or not a full investigation and report is required; in this case they decided it was necessary. Not all incidents receive a full investigation. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 19/04/2016 at 23:08 #81924 | |
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RainbowNines
272 posts |
There are several tram/person collisions a year on the Metrolink (the report alludes to this) - it seems the focus in this case was not only about the collision, but also the response of the company after the incident. For example, because the supervisor had to drive the tram back to the depot, the tram driver in the incident ended up driving the supervisor's van back - not ideal for a bloke who is likely to be shaken up, really. EDIT: It seems like they've also taken the opportunity to comment on the more general "shared space" designs - the rather notorious part of Manchester City Centre this took place in is one of the oldest implementations of shared space in the "new age" of trams (I'm sure there's a snazzier name...) - looking back through the catalogue, there aren't many examples of reports where shared space "solutions" were a direct consequence. Last edited: 19/04/2016 at 23:14 by RainbowNines Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 20/04/2016 at 11:45 #81927 | |
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Jersey_Mike
250 posts |
" said:Well yes, but lifts run on rails to. What about rubber tyred peoplemovers? I guess that I'm also assuming there isn't a Bus Accident Investigation Board, when there probably is 
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| All RAIB Reports 20/04/2016 at 12:51 #81928 | |
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320322
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" said:" said:Bus Accident Investigation Board - Commonly known in the UK as the Police and their various departments!Well yes, but lifts run on rails to. What about rubber tyred peoplemovers? Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 20/04/2016 at 12:52 #81929 | |
jc92
3690 posts |
" said:" said:RAIB cover heavy and light rail so guided busways and lifts don't qualify (I suppose Monorails like at beaulieu might qualify). I don't know who investigates Road traffic accidents but we have the AAIB for air accidents aswell.Well yes, but lifts run on rails to. What about rubber tyred peoplemovers? "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: 20/04/2016 at 12:52 by jc92 Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 20/04/2016 at 13:59 #81930 | |
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RainbowNines
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And MAIB for Marine incidents. We've had this discussion before Mike. There's much to be gleaned from an accident. You need an independent investigation organisation to get the most from them. Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 20/04/2016 at 15:07 #81931 | |
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Jersey_Mike
250 posts |
" said:And MAIB for Marine incidents.This is a different discussion regarding jurisdiction. It can be argued that a tram has more in common with a bus, safety wise, than an HST, so tram lines would be better covered by a transit safety investigation office, or perhaps a national transportation safety group that doesn't have to get into a turf battle with the elevator inspection office over the definition of a cable hauled funicular as rail transport. :dry: Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 20/04/2016 at 15:27 #81933 | |
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RainbowNines
272 posts |
Per guidance issued by RAIB regarding the Railway and Transport Safety Act 2003 (which established the branch): (Part of Paragraph 7) Quote: The scope of the railways and tramways covered includesAs I already wrote above, RAIB can and will investigate these incidents where they feel learning points can be taken from it. Not every single incident is investigated. If you care to have a look at the report, figure 11 on page 25 shows a chart of tram/pedestrian collisions on the Metrolink over the period 2004-14. The chart isn't entirely clear but there are over 50. Only two have been investigated in that time. As for cable hauled railways, the Act clearly defines those over 1km in length as falling within the scope of RAIB. So there's that... Heritage railways that cross a carriageway (why that quirk exists I don't know) are also in scope, so I would infer that the Beaulieu monorail doesn't count. (EDIT: in fact, the guidance specifically refers to the 2005 Regulations, which qualifies scope to exclude railways not crossing a carriageway "such as those which are part of a museum, within a funfair or amusement Park, or in private gardens") EDIT2: And paragraph 28 of that document says thus: Quote: Although accidents and incidents affecting tramways fall within the remit of the RAIB, Section 7(2) enables the Chief Inspector of Rail Accidents to exercise discretion when considering whether or not to investigate a serious accident on a tramway. This is because tramways run in various types of alignment: on street, alongside a highway or off street. The investigation of a collision affecting a road running part of a tramway would normally fall to the police, whilst an accident affecting an off street running part of a tramway would normally be investigated by the RAIB. However, the Chief Inspector of Rail Accidents may direct the RAIB to conduct a parallel investigation to the police if there are potential safety lessons to be learnt which could be disseminated to the industry. Last edited: 20/04/2016 at 15:38 by RainbowNines Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 20/04/2016 at 19:24 #81934 | |
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Jersey_Mike
250 posts |
Oh good, it's more sensible than I had assumed.
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| All RAIB Reports 21/04/2016 at 07:46 #81939 | |
Harsig
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" said:I've always understood that in the UK construction of a railway only required parliamentary authority for two reasons:
A railway that did not require either of the above could be built without parliamentary authority and was thus presumably exempt from having to comply with subsequent parliamentary railway legislation. This is presumably why only Heritage railways that cross a carriageway are included in the RAIB's scope of investigation. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: RainbowNines |
| All RAIB Reports 21/04/2016 at 08:28 #81940 | |
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jc92
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What doesnt make sense with that is that the GCR has had two RAIB investigations but has no level crossings. Does "carriageway" include occupation crossings and does "cross" include bridges or just level crossings? "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 21/04/2016 at 12:44 #81942 | |
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RainbowNines
272 posts |
Very good point. That one I don't know. Maybe refers to the railway in its original form, on grounds that pretty much every railway will have or has had a crossing of the highway? The initial law for RAIB was only passed in 2003 (with regulations following in 2005) I've had a look at the Loughborough 37 runaway report and there's no special treatment or mention of it, which implies it's not been investigated under different rules. Last edited: 21/04/2016 at 12:44 by RainbowNines Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 21/04/2016 at 16:55 #81949 | |
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Harsig
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" said:I've always understood it to mean any form of crossing whether it be level crossing, bridge or even tunnel. Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 21/04/2016 at 18:44 #81950 | |
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Jersey_Mike
250 posts |
Do footpaths, bridleways and byways all count as carriageways? I know you have very specific definitions for those terms.
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| All RAIB Reports 21/04/2016 at 20:57 #81952 | |
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RainbowNines
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I would take the definition to mean any right of way - pretty sure that extends to bridleways etc in most cases.
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| All RAIB Reports 05/05/2016 at 10:55 #82150 | |
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JamesN
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The RAIB has released its report into a Dangerous Occurence at Wootton Bassett Jn, Wiltshire R082016 160515 Wootton Bassett.pdf Log in to reply |
| All RAIB Reports 13/05/2016 at 16:16 #82308 | |
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AndyG
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"RAIB has today released its report into a runaway and collision at Bryn station, Wigan, 27 November 2014." R092016_160509_Bryn.pdf One that got missed:- Collision between a train and a tractor at Oakwood Farm User Worked Crossing, Knaresborough, 14 May 2015 R072016_160428_Oakwood_Farm.pdf I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Last edited: 13/05/2016 at 18:51 by AndyG Reason: R072016 Log in to reply |