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| November Meet - Derby 30/10/2012 at 19:26 #37059 | |
TomOF
452 posts |
It really is quite simple. It is beneficial to keep holding meets every now and again to allow people to meet for the first time and keep in touch, and also to keep the profile of the hobby up a bit. Unfortunately it isn't always possible to have the release of a new sim to co-incide with said meet. To that end I don't think it is realistic for anyone to expect that. It's a coincidence that this has happened on occasion. I also see no problem with just meeting up for a natter and a few jars rather than co-ordinating a multiplayer session. The first meet I attended in 2006 (Bristol) I recall there being very little in the way of gaming going on, it was more incidental that a few people had brought laptops. I can see that not having all the whistles and bells might disappoint a few folk but it was never intended to be. There is nothing to stop someone organising their own meet if what is on offer does not suit their needs. There is more information on the Wiki Last edited: 30/10/2012 at 19:30 by TomOF Log in to reply The following users said thank you: derbybest, Noisynoel, Sam Tugwell, delticfan, y10g9, Class 92, kbarber, crompton, DriverCurran, officer dibble |
| November Meet - Derby 30/10/2012 at 20:56 #37060 | |
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delticfan
476 posts |
For what's it's worth, I attended the Derby meet last year (my first ever) and it was great to 'put names to faces'. I didn't join any sessions, just enjoyed both watching the experts and the social side and found I had a bit of common ground with some guys I spoke to, having worked in the rail industry for some years. Certainly trying to get to the one on the 10th (present circumstances permitting). The developers/organisers do a terrific job in providing what we have already . Long may they continue. Cheers, Mal (confirmed Simsigger). Log in to reply The following users said thank you: derbybest, AndyG |
| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 00:28 #37070 | |
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Hpotter
205 posts |
Ray wrote: Quote: I'm appalled at the remarks above! Considering that all the developers of SimSig do this in our spare time, and trust me on this, it's very little time at the end of the day to get and do stuff, whether it's doing development work, research or a meet like for November. It has already been expressed many times over that the forthcoming meet is a social meet, no simulations are planned to be released, as be shown at the meet, as it's decided many months in advance as to what state's the simulations are in and if it's feasible to get them ready. This is the exact reason why it's a social only event, to stop people’s expectations of a new simulation at each meet! More to the point, it makes me think why do I bother?! Log in to reply The following users said thank you: derbybest, TimTamToe, DriverCurran, crompton, delticfan |
| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 02:09 #37071 | |
postal
5265 posts |
" said:Yes - we believe you.Whereas the other however many that decide they have better things to do than attend a meet don't get whatever benefits there are from that attendance. It is unfortunate for those who are physically unable to attend the meet but those who are able to attend and decide that they have better things to do with their time or their money have made their choice and will live with the consequences. If they don't like the consequences then they know what to do next time. In the meantime I will gladly exchange the hundreds of hours of testing I have done since the last meet in July for the chance to sit on the sidelines and make derogatory and insulting comments if anyone is willing to swap with me. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 31/10/2012 at 09:45 by postal Log in to reply The following users said thank you: TimTamToe, derbybest, delticfan, crompton, GoochyB |
| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 02:34 #37072 | |
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njimiller
142 posts |
I spend hours playing sims. I am not involved in developing or testing. I am extremely grateful for those who are and for the time they devote to this. I eagerly await the release of new sims but know they will come when they come. To those who put their spare time into this, please take this message of appreciation as a counter-balance to what has been said above and as hopefully something that stands for the usually silent majority and.... let's all move on. Thanks guys! Nick Log in to reply The following users said thank you: derbybest, postal, delticfan |
| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 10:43 #37078 | |
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kbarber
1743 posts |
" said:Yes - we believe you. For the first time in my life I miss the karma button! Having been party to extended discussions of Euston (on the old forum - there were 20 or so threads that went on for about 3 months if memory doesn't fail me) as a mix of modern research and old hands' memories were combined, I know just how much information is needed to create a sim. And this was after the beta had been trialled - at a meet. So far as I could see from screenshots, the beta was spot on. But not having been at that meet, I had to wait to get my sticky paws on it. It was worth the wait - having had the opportunity to play with the real Euston (way back in the 1980s) it really felt like being back there, in spite of the difference in the interface. Ray: I don't think you appreciate what goes in to the creation and refinement of even a small sim (and it has to said that Euston, although geographically small, was an exceptionally complex place for a modern powerbox). More recently, the dregs of my memory (and the recollections of a contact who was a signalman there) have been stirred up to provide some background information for a Euston timetable. Ray: do you appreciate the sheer quantity of information that goes in to creating a timetable, let alone a sim? It's been said many times on here, but it bears saying again: the developers, testers and timetable writers do it for love! As love doesn't pay the bills, that means they have to fit it around their working lives. As most have families and other lives that will soon complain if neglected, sim work also has to be fitted around those obligations - and rightly so. As this is a hobby for the creators, it is their choice how they do it. If they want to release a sim at a meet to get a sense of how it behaves in the real world, that's their choice. If they don't want to release anything until they've had their group of testers give it such a going over that nothing can possibly have been missed (therefore it takes a decade or so to get from beta to release), that too is their choice and their absolute right. Ray: it is not for you to make downright nasty snide remarks like this just because your wishes are not the centre of everybody's consideration! Apologies to the rest of the forum for sounding rather angry. (The fact is, I am rather angry.) Posting in this way is a very deliberate, conscious choice (in my line of work I'm used to weighing what I say very carefully and saying only those things I really mean and whose impact I really appreciate). It's possible a moderator may feel I've overstepped the mark. But I hope not - sometimes the facts of life need to be spelled out in a way that's absolutely unmistakeable. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Sam Tugwell, derbybest, AndyG, TimTamToe, delticfan, crompton, GoochyB, Josie, Class 92, BarryM |
| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 11:00 #37079 | |
lazzer
636 posts |
It appears, from earlier posts of his, that Ray has an issue with the perceived injustice of Sims being released at meets, and only being available to people at those meets. Change the record. I've been waiting years for one particular area to be simulated, and I haven't said a word on it. I suspect it's in the pipeline from a dropped hint a few years ago, so I'm happy to wait until it arrives (which may be never). Maybe I should go to all the meets so I can get my hands on the millions of sims that the developers are unfairly withholding from us ... Log in to reply |
| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 11:02 #37080 | |
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derbybest
274 posts |
Ray. I am not a dev but i am a timetable writer. There is a hell of a lot of work just writing a timetable as well as the sims and once the timetable is done that too has to be tested. Please be patient and it will come - as the saying goes WHEN IT'S READY
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| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 11:06 #37081 | |
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AndyG
1842 posts |
There is one solution to all these discussions.......... Not to have any meets ......... I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 12:28 #37082 | |
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TimTamToe
664 posts |
" said:Ray. I am not a dev but i am a timetable writer. There is a hell of a lot of work just writing a timetable as well as the sims and once the timetable is done that too has to be tested. Please be patient and it will come - as the saying goes WHEN IT'S READYYou beat me to it DerbyBest. Having just ventured into timetable writing, the amount of information gathering & research, writing and of course testing of a timetable takes a vast amount of time in itself. And this was for Brighton which may have a lot of trains but is far less complex in regards to the amount of junctions differing routes and freight etc. I lost count of the number of hours spent producing it and times I thought I was done only for something to crop up. The Devs do an amazing job and I hope that the few (very) negative and unjustified comments by a few don't cause any of the Devs to throw in the towel. You are all appreciated and what you produce whenever it is ready is always fantastic. I take off my hat to you all. For those that grumble, why don't you try writing a timetable. There is nothing stopping you and then you might realise how much bloody hard work goes into the whole sim Gareth Log in to reply The following users said thank you: derbybest, delticfan |
| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 12:51 #37083 | |
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Sam Tugwell
494 posts |
AndyG said:There is one solution to all these discussions..........On behalf of those who do appreciate the time and effort spent in making a sim, please don't do this. I thoroughly enjoyed the two London Meets (July 2011 and March 2012) that I have attended. It was great to finally meet all these people and put some faces to names, as well as enjoying some top quality SimSig. I'm sure I'll enjoy them even more when I reach 18! "Signalman Exeter" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: derbybest |
| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 13:16 #37085 | |
jc92
3690 posts |
" said:There is one solution to all these discussions..........a slightly more diplomatic addition should perhaps be to make it policy there will NEVER be new stuff at meets at all. if any betas are released, it is at developers discretion to place them on the site for all to try.(as with oxted and brighton) or not (everything else). this will prevent anyone A) feeling that a meet is a hive of unreleased kit B ) left out when they are unable to try out stuff at a meet. Joe "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: 31/10/2012 at 15:21 by jc92 Log in to reply |
| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 13:28 #37086 | |
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clive
2789 posts |
" said:Or even if it does. Isn't that's what's happening on the 17th? Log in to reply |
| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 14:01 #37089 | |
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lazzer
636 posts |
" said:... why don't you try writing a timetable. I would, if I could get my hands on some timetables to take the times from ... (Hopefully the above does not give the impression that I am one of the grumblers. B)) Log in to reply |
| November Meet - Derby 31/10/2012 at 16:04 #37092 | |
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TimTamToe
664 posts |
" said:I think we both know that's no. Nice shades btw 
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| November Meet - Derby 03/11/2012 at 16:09 #37200 | |
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njimiller
142 posts |
Sadly I am now working on the 10th so can't attend this Derby meet. Can someone please delete me from the attendance list so that someone else can take my place. Thanks! Nick Log in to reply |
| November Meet - Derby 03/11/2012 at 16:57 #37202 | |
GeoffM
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" said:Sadly I am now working on the 10th so can't attend this Derby meet. Can someone please delete me from the attendance list so that someone else can take my place.I can't see you on the list - maybe somebody already removed you. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| November Meet - Derby 03/11/2012 at 17:15 #37203 | |
Peter Bennet
5402 posts |
I did- is the 20 a limit or just a default? Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| November Meet - Derby 03/11/2012 at 18:42 #37205 | |
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GeoffM
6377 posts |
" said:I did- is the 20 a limit or just a default?I could change it but as it's a free-for-all it didn't seem worth the effort! SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| November Meet - Derby 03/11/2012 at 20:51 #37210 | |
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Peter Bennet
5402 posts |
Some people who wanted to come might assume it was fully subscribed - reset to "unlimited". Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| November Meet - Derby 10/11/2012 at 21:50 #37409 | |
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casey jones
72 posts |
cheers for the day at derby it was the first time i had been at a SimSig meet mick Log in to reply |
| November Meet - Derby 10/11/2012 at 21:59 #37410 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
2084 posts |
Did you all have a good day?
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| November Meet - Derby 11/11/2012 at 06:03 #37425 | |
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GeoffM
6377 posts |
" said:Did you all have a good day?From what I gather from a Skype call at 17:30 Derby time, it seems at least the people I spoke to had a very relaxing and enjoyable day. Hopefully some will post a picture or two. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| November Meet - Derby 11/11/2012 at 09:50 #37427 | |
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y10g9
895 posts |
It was an enjoyable day. There was a good crowd there and we had a good enjoyable social time and chat. A few people played sims, but the majority of us just enjoyed a good day in the pub chatting. I don't even think we took any photos were taken, or if there were, then it's just basically 20 of us sat in a group drinking and chatting.
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