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| Update 25/09/2012 at 12:51 #35838 | |
sandy221
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Any news yet on the release date for this sim
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| Update 25/09/2012 at 13:17 #35839 | |
jc92
3685 posts |
yeah its due for release when its been completed and is ready
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| Update 25/09/2012 at 14:47 #35841 | |
58050
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From what I have been told by Tom is that there is a problem with the introduction of a new core code which Geoff has to resolve. So not much progress will be done until that has been sorted. It's just a case of waiting I'm afraid. I can't even add the last remaining shunt moves at Upperby Yard for the 1979-1980 timetable until this issue has been sorted out.
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| Update 25/09/2012 at 15:27 #35844 | |
GeoffM
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" said:From what I have been told by Tom is that there is a problem with the introduction of a new core code which Geoff has to resolve.That's news to me. He asked a question a while ago which turned out to be a data problem though... SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Update 25/09/2012 at 15:34 #35845 | |
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broodje
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I suppose this is about the DER moves that causes trains to crash. Bug 7500, it is also a problem for Edinburgh.
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| Update 25/09/2012 at 16:46 #35846 | |
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58050
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I had contact with Tom over the weekend briefly via e-mail as I wanted another location to be added to Carlisle & also a path to add in some Upperby Yard shunts. Tom said the location & path had already been put in but was waiting for you Geoff to so something before he could send me the updated version to finish the timetable off.
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| Update 25/09/2012 at 18:13 #35847 | |
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TomOF
452 posts |
I should clarify the above by stating there was an underlying data problem that did not come to light until a new version of core code was used. As for the delay since the meet it's a rather unexciting answer: Getting round to doing all the big things and little things that need doing to avoid a substandard version being released. And thats really all there is to it. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: NCC1701 |
| Update 26/09/2012 at 15:37 #35853 | |
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GeoffM
6376 posts |
" said:I suppose this is about the DER moves that causes trains to crash. Bug 7500, it is also a problem for Edinburgh.Clive's dealing with that one. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Update 26/09/2012 at 16:56 #35854 | |
Peter Bennet
5402 posts |
Not sure the public forum is the place to debate the behind the scenes testing activities. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: jc92 |
| Update 27/09/2012 at 09:34 #35861 | |
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kbarber
1742 posts |
" said:Not sure the public forum is the place to debate the behind the scenes testing activities. I can see why you say that Peter, but it may also be that being able to earwig on the discussions will help people understand just why it takes so long to get a sim ready for release. (It'll also be a handy thread to direct newbies to, who inevitably end up posting "when's it being released?" - an easy way of expanding on "when it's ready" without what can (to said newbie) seem a slightly peremptory statement about the work that has to be done and the impact of real life.) Not without problems - I'm sure some things are said in those behind-the-scenes discussions that really shouldn't be released to a wider public. But perhaps worth considering whether & how to put up something more innoccuous as a real-life illustration of the kind of work that goes on (and which I'm sure hardly any of us know even the smallest part of). Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Josie, indian_railways_fan, guidomcc, Sam Tugwell, Temple Meads, Signalhunter |
| Update 27/09/2012 at 15:38 #35863 | |
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indian_railways_fan
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Quote:I can see why you say that Peter, but it may also be that being able to earwig on the discussions will help people understand just why it takes so long to get a sim ready for release. (It'll also be a handy thread to direct newbies to, who inevitably end up posting "when's it being released?" - an easy way of expanding on "when it's ready" without what can (to said newbie) seem a slightly peremptory statement about the work that has to be done and the impact of real life.)Very well said.It is true that the developers are not accountable to us ordinary fans of Simsig and the developers do have their own constraints but a tidbit here and there should not do harm(as long as it does not reveal the secrets of Simsig :))and contributes towards satisfying our eagerness for information about new/revised sims. Of late,a few forum members have been quick to press the trigger of the gun of "It will be ready when its ready"without considering the feelings of anyone.In most cases they are newbies and can easily be put off by such statements. A few brief updates like those that have been provided by TomOf in case of the Carlisle sim are helpful. Khalid. Log in to reply |
| Update 27/09/2012 at 15:58 #35865 | |
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Ray
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The simulation was ready for people to try out at the last meet. Why did the people at the meet not get the usual cheeky remark "it will be ready when its ready"? It seems to me that the release at the meet was a vanity exercise for the developer. If its ready for a meet then its ready for everyone else.
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| Update 27/09/2012 at 16:33 #35867 | |
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Peter Bennet
5402 posts |
The point is that only the developer really knows the exact position in relation to the relevant sim and contributions from those who think they know is not always helpful. The developer can then choose what if anything to say and say it with some authority. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Last edited: 27/09/2012 at 16:38 by Peter Bennet Log in to reply |
| Update 27/09/2012 at 16:42 #35868 | |
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GeoffM
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" said:The simulation was ready for people to try out at the last meet. Why did the people at the meet not get the usual cheeky remark "it will be ready when its ready"? It seems to me that the release at the meet was a vanity exercise for the developer. If its ready for a meet then its ready for everyone else.Sometimes things come to light at the meet which weren't found before. The testers do a great job but even they don't manage to cover every possible scenario. SimSig Boss Log in to reply The following user said thank you: derbybest |
| Update 27/09/2012 at 17:05 #35871 | |
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John
884 posts |
" said:It seems to me that the release at the meet was a vanity exercise for the developer.Ray, that is spectacularly unfair. Even if you don't , I (and I'm sure the majority of this forum) appreciate the time and effort, the blood sweat and tears that go into producing these sims. Quite what qualifies you to post such mean spirited, judgmental garbage statements like that without having actually produced a sim of your own is beyond me. I would respectfully request that in the future, before you spout your rude, selfish ignorant and ungrateful opinions, that you consider the fact that you receive these excellent sims for free. " said: If its ready for a meet then its ready for everyone else.What exactly is the colossal rush? What would you prefer: a sub-standard, inaccurate sim that's full of bugs, or a meticulously crafted top quality piece of art worthy of the dedication that went into researching and producing it? Take you're time, Tom. Release Carlisle only when you're completely satisfied that it meets the admirably high standard demanded by Simsig. Please don't take the silly comments of an ungrateful minority to heart. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Noisynoel, Steamer, Class 92, delticfan, Sam Tugwell, indian_railways_fan, y10g9, Signalhunter, GoochyB, derbybest, Underwood, DriverCurran, TimTamToe, miker15, MikeW, guidomcc, officer dibble |
| Update 27/09/2012 at 17:32 #35872 | |
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jc92
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to add my contribution to this, although not a "tester". i have been involved in carlisles development as part of the timetable writing and testing process. the version of carlisle presented at the meet did work becuase the timetable had brought up many issues, eg missing paths, trains failing to join or divide etc and the sim had been fixed to allow all these movements to work. what the public dont see at the meet are the errors yet to be fixed which dont nessecarily affect that particular game. for instance, a number of locations had yet to be added which the completed 1980 tt requires. therefore the sim isnt "good for everyone" as if someone else attempted to timetable anything that hadnt yet been tested it would all have gone pete tong. demonstrating an in-development sim is not a vanity fest, but is actually a very good opportunity to test peoples reactions and opinions, and also more importantly, to find all the faults that a small band of testers have not already found. Joe "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: AndyG |
| Update 27/09/2012 at 17:42 #35873 | |
MJD
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" said:[quote]Agreed! Mike. Log in to reply |
| Update 27/09/2012 at 18:01 #35874 | |
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TomOF
452 posts |
Hi Ray. I thought the sim was about ready prior to the meet. I, along with my testers had put alot of effort in in the weeks preceeding trying to get it up to scratch. A few things where found at the meet along with other subsequent issues that put any release further back. Also I was carrying out work to facilitate all of the myriad timetable moves required for the two timetables that have been developed so far. The overriding reason so far has been down to the fact that I am not always fully motivated to work on this in my spare time and do work whenever I can. As I have said before I was loathe to release a sim with serious bugs. I would not want to be deluged with bug reports when I know certain issues are not resolved. I must also disagree with the 'vanity ' comment as my motivation for producing sims is to put something into the community - not to look good. I would therefore ask all to be patient. I am not in a position to give a release date but it hopefully will not be much longer. Cheers Log in to reply The following users said thank you: y10g9, indian_railways_fan, postal, 47417, NCC1701, derbybest, John |
| Update 27/09/2012 at 18:22 #35876 | |
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AndyG
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" said:.... The overriding reason so far has been down to the fact that I am not always fully motivated to work on this in my spare time and do work whenever I can.On Tom's behalf, I'd like to remind folk that his 'day' job is building sims for TRE, so SimSig dev work might not always be the best 'relaxation'. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| Update 27/09/2012 at 19:27 #35879 | |
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clive
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" said:The simulation was ready for people to try out at the last meet. [...] If its ready for a meet then its ready for everyone else.I thought Euston was ready in time for the York meet - it had had a lot of testing. That meet flushed out enough issues that, IIRC, it was more than a year before I was actually able to release. Log in to reply |
| Update 27/09/2012 at 22:45 #35886 | |
postal
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" said:Hi Ray. I thought the sim was about ready prior to the meet. I, along with my testers had put alot of effort in in the weeks preceeding trying to get it up to scratch. A few things where found at the meet along with other subsequent issues that put any release further back. Also I was carrying out work to facilitate all of the myriad timetable moves required for the two timetables that have been developed so far. The overriding reason so far has been down to the fact that I am not always fully motivated to work on this in my spare time and do work whenever I can. As I have said before I was loathe to release a sim with serious bugs. I would not want to be deluged with bug reports when I know certain issues are not resolved. I must also disagree with the 'vanity ' comment as my motivation for producing sims is to put something into the community - not to look good. I would therefore ask all to be patient. I am not in a position to give a release date but it hopefully will not be much longer.I've been doing a bit of research to try and put things into perspective. Since the meet at Newcastle, Tom has updated or resolved 133 items noted on the bug board and there have been well into double figures for the iterations of the 1979-1980 TT which was previewed at the meet. Don't forget that a preview release at a meet will already have a number of issues that the developer and TT writer have worked round for the meet but which still need to be resolved before release. I understand the frustration that some people may feel when donationware doesn't fit in with their perceptions of what is involved in software development, but I think it is a bit rich that Tom has to come on here and make a posting to try and defend himself for carrying out an entirely voluntary activity. Rather than thinking about ourselves and our feeling that someone who made the time and effort to attend a meet has got one up on us, can we rather thank those involved for the hundreds if not thousands of hours it takes to create a sim and be very grateful when a new sim is made available to us. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply The following users said thank you: GoochyB, derbybest, y10g9, TomOF, Sam Tugwell, birchy74, delticfan, primedetective, 37223, indian_railways_fan, mfloyd, Class 92, kbarber, jc92, AndyG, Knockpiker, TimTamToe, guidomcc |
| Update 28/09/2012 at 14:32 #35896 | |
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john havenhand
58 posts |
perhaps it may come to the point that nothing new is released until it has all the bugs sorted and nothing mentioned about its release until it is ready! I understand and respect all the hard work that comes with making sims and writing TTs but when it is advertised as being released shortly I think one or two of us get a little over excited take NE scot for example when edinburgh and C scot were released NE scot was due to follow but it has yet to be released perhaps it was a bit premature to advertise that it was due to be released Looking foreward to the release of Carlisle as its my local patch may I ask is there going to be a 2012 TT or just the 80's one Log in to reply |
| Update 28/09/2012 at 15:19 #35897 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:take NE scot for example when edinburgh and C scot were released NE scot was due to follow but it has yet to be released perhaps it was a bit premature to advertise that it was due to be releasedAs discussed elsewhere - in retrospect it was - though to be fair it was released with a time bomb because it was unfinished at the time. In any event that was a lesson learned by me which is why I've not made anything else available since. For those interested it is progressing and I intend to release it as a job lot with a revised Edinburgh, CSCOT and a new Cowlairs. However, getting them all working at the same time has proven difficult. I had toyed with the idea of making something new available (probably time limited) at Derby but that's now been shelved following this discussion - unless it really is ready to be released. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Update 28/09/2012 at 15:50 #35899 | |
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Noisynoel
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" said:Looking foreward to the release of Carlisle as its my local patch may I ask is there going to be a 2012 TT or just the 80's oneYes there will be a 2012 default TT Noisynoel Log in to reply |
| Update 28/09/2012 at 18:33 #35909 | |
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john havenhand
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cheers for replies guys looking foreward to the release what changes are to be made to edinburgh? Log in to reply |