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Exeter Junction 18/10/2012 at 12:15 #36643
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As a relatively new operator of SimSig, I'm having a problem with reversing 5E06 at Exeter central at around 08:20 in the 2006 timetable v 2.222 with Exeter v2.227.0.
It would appear that the unit should go into the yard, wait for three mainline moves before setting off towards central. The timetable shows the train as a down move before it has crossed over, I wonder if this is what causes the confusion?
I've tried all the suggestions offered in both the previous threads I've found on this subject, but to no avail.
I am an experienced railman of 44 yrs. and know the Exeter area well, having worked out of the depot for many years. Has anyone come up with a solution to this apparent problem, as I have come to a grinding halt on this move.

Many thanks,

Steve M

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Exeter Junction 18/10/2012 at 18:18 #36657
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Reverse the train at sig. EJ7 (On branch to CE Works).

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Last edited: 18/10/2012 at 18:24 by BarryM
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Exeter Junction 18/10/2012 at 18:36 #36658
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Reverse the train at sig. EJ7 (On branch to CE Works).
That's the right reversing location, but how do you get the timetable to validate? I've been playing around with it this afternoon to try and make it work, and it keeps saying there are no valid paths. It looks to me like it ought to be:

  • Exeter Central

  • Exmouth Jn (pass)

  • Rev Exmouth Jn East

  • Exmouth Jn (pass)

  • Exeter Central



But the train just "runs out of valid track" and the timetable editor claims there's no route from Rev Exmouth Jn East to Exmouth Jn.

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Exeter Junction 18/10/2012 at 18:41 #36659
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" said:

That's the right reversing location, but how do you get the timetable to validate? I've been playing around with it this afternoon to try and make it work, and it keeps saying there are no valid paths. It looks to me like it ought to be:

  • Exeter Central

  • Exmouth Jn (pass)

  • Rev Exmouth Jn East

  • Exmouth Jn (pass)

  • Exeter Central



But the train just "runs out of valid track" and the timetable editor claims there's no route from Rev Exmouth Jn East to Exmouth Jn.
Try Rev Exmouth Jn East - Exeter Central (ie omit Exmouth Jn).

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Exeter Junction 18/10/2012 at 18:55 #36660
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Reverse on Up W'loo [E750] instead of Exmouth Jcn.

Job done.

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Exeter Junction 18/10/2012 at 19:02 #36661
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" said:
Reverse on Up W'loo [E750] instead of Exmouth Jcn.

Job done.
Job only done if no other trains need to pass while your train is reversing!


" said:
Try Rev Exmouth Jn East - Exeter Central (ie omit Exmouth Jn).
Andy's got it, as always. Leave out Exmouth Jn (in both directions) and it validates fine. So to the OP, you need to edit the timetable and change Exmouth Jn to Rev Exmouth Jn East - and all should be well.

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Exeter Junction 18/10/2012 at 19:04 #36662
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Reverse on Up W'loo [E750] instead of Exmouth Jcn.

Job done.
Unfortunately not as 5E06 needs to be off the main lines for other trains to cross before proceeding to Exeter.

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Exeter Junction 18/10/2012 at 19:24 #36663
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" said:

" said:
Try Rev Exmouth Jn East - Exeter Central (ie omit Exmouth Jn).
Andy's got it, as always. Leave out Exmouth Jn (in both directions) and it validates fine. So to the OP, you need to edit the timetable and change Exmouth Jn to Rev Exmouth Jn East - and all should be well.

The logic behind it is that junction locations are at the last signal BEFORE the junction, not the actual junction itself. Hence a train at Ex Jn (rev) won't actually pass the Ex Jn location on the running line from Pinhoe.

In the other direction it's probably due to the paths provided and the associated key locations. Although Ex Jn is a key location for the main running routes paths, it's not included in the shunt routes, these being to/from Ex Jn (rev) directly.

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Last edited: 18/10/2012 at 19:33 by AndyG
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Exeter Junction 18/10/2012 at 22:39 #36667
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Many thanks for all the replies - I'm glad I'm not the only confused one on this. I managed to go the way Barry suggested, up the Exmouth after reversing at the LOS, then again reversing back towards Central, caused loads of delay, and not very prototypical, but it worked.

SteveM

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Exeter Junction 18/10/2012 at 23:14 #36668
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Thanks AndyG, that did the trick.

SteveM

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Exeter Junction 18/01/2014 at 20:59 #54008
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Sorry to rejuvenate this topic but I wish to clear two things up:

1. Is "Exmouth Junction East" the HS siding opp. the CE works?

2. I see that the HS siding is, by the looks of things, uncircuited. So if, for example, I put train 5X00 into the HS siding at Exmouth Junction does the train exit the sim (meaning I would need to create a separate train, ie. 5X002, for anything to come back out of HS) or can I just do it as a reverse and have the whole lot on the 5X00 TT?

Cheers,
Dave

Last edited: 18/01/2014 at 21:03 by DaveHarries
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Exeter Junction 18/01/2014 at 21:14 #54010
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" said:
Sorry to rejuvenate this topic but I wish to clear two things up:

1. Is "Exmouth Junction East" the HS siding opp. the CE works?

Yes and at EJ20

" said:

2. I see that the HS siding is, by the looks of things, uncircuited. So if, for example, I put train 5X00 into the HS siding at Exmouth Junction does the train exit the sim (meaning I would need to create a separate train, ie. 5X002, for anything to come back out of HS) or can I just do it as a reverse and have the whole lot on the 5X00 TT?

Cheers,
Dave
HS is 200m long and a single siding- so no fall-off, trains at the CE will fall-off.

Peter

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Last edited: 18/01/2014 at 21:14 by Peter Bennet
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Exeter Junction 18/01/2014 at 21:20 #54011
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" said:
Sorry to rejuvenate this topic but I wish to clear two things up:

1. Is "Exmouth Junction East" the HS siding opp. the CE works?

2. I see that the HS siding is, by the looks of things, uncircuited. So if, for example, I put train 5X00 into the HS siding at Exmouth Junction does the train exit the sim (meaning I would need to create a separate train, ie. 5X002, for anything to come back out of HS) or can I just do it as a reverse and have the whole lot on the 5X00 TT?
1. Yes
2. It's just a siding, there's no exit point. The way it's displayed is a bit unusual- most non-entry point sidings have a grey vertical bar at the end of them.

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