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| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 09:09 #38632 | |
officer dibble
409 posts |
" said:Have you downloaded the sims via the links in the confirmation email you receive upon paying?Didn't get any links in my email from either Simsig or Paypal regarding my purchase, odd...... When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 09:10 #38633 | |
Peter Bennet
5402 posts |
There are a few teathing issues with the issue and the licencing. I'm at work at the moment and it's getting on for Midnight in California (I think). Hopefully if you can bear with us it'll be fixed shortly. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following users said thank you: northroad, officer dibble, Lagertoe |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 10:27 #38636 | |
MrSuttonmann
265 posts |
This whole licensing thing seems, to me, far too complex for SimSig... May I ask what reasoning there is behind it, and why you seem to be fixing something that isn't broken? It all seems a big farce to me. (Formerly known as manadude2) Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 10:28 #38637 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
2078 posts |
Do you have any detailed screenshots of the two new sims? What is the difference between the formerly released versions of Edinburgh and Central Scotland compared to the new ones? Log in to reply The following user said thank you: MrSuttonmann |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 10:35 #38638 | |
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AndyG
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" said:This whole licensing thing seems, to me, far too complex for SimSig...Sparcity of donations has something to do with it (but thanks to those who have previously donated). I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 10:41 #38639 | |
jc92
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" said:This whole licensing thing seems, to me, far too complex for SimSig...dont buy them then. personally I'll be getting the full pack when i get home from work tonight. £30 is a bargain compared to any other brand (eg £30 for PCrails offering of cowlairs, while peter is offering it at £10 with a more realistic interface). The licensing might seem over the top, but it prevents sims being distributed without payment etc. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: northroad |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 10:45 #38640 | |
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MrSuttonmann
265 posts |
" said:" said:I'm not against what SimSig does. I didn't say I wouldn't buy the sims - in fact I will when I can afford to. My point is that the licensing seems OTT, it's like the days of LivSt again.This whole licensing thing seems, to me, far too complex for SimSig...dont buy them then. (Formerly known as manadude2) Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 10:59 #38641 | |
northroad
872 posts |
Peter, As per Geoff's post#21 he did say he was having to download the licenses by hand and he was up late. Luckily with me being over here in Korea I was able to jump in and get things moving before he retired for the night. Happy to say and I know it is no consolation to others, I have both newbies up and running with no problems encountered. I have downloaded the licence from the download section this evening when I got in. I have then downloaded the downloads that I got from Geoff when he received my Pay Pal payment. On opening after downloading from the link that was sent there is a message at the bottom of the splash screen which directs you to the License agreement. I have opened that and then logged in with my Sim Sig user name and password, linked it to this machine that I am using and he presto I am travelling along from Montrose to Ulsan as I type. Be patient guys it is worth waiting for and as I say I was lucky enough to be in a different time zone, which for once I was grateful for. Geoff Last edited: 04/12/2012 at 11:01 by northroad Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 11:09 #38642 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:" said:And how do you suggest it was done?" said:I'm not against what SimSig does. I didn't say I wouldn't buy the sims - in fact I will when I can afford to. My point is that the licensing seems OTT, it's like the days of LivSt again.This whole licensing thing seems, to me, far too complex for SimSig...dont buy them then. As above there are some teathing problems, not helped by the fact that I've packaged several Sims as one so 4 licenses are issued for one [bargain] payment. It may work better for individual Sims but there you go. I don't propose to discuss the rational behind why I've charged this time. Edinburgh and CSCOT are "fixed/debugged" versions of the earlier releases but are otherwise basically the same. Note that due to changes in coding the original releases may not chain properly with NESCOT. That's part of the reason for teh "bargain" price. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 11:53 #38649 | |
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MrSuttonmann
265 posts |
The system seems far too complex - you don't need an external licensing program. At the moment the process is: 1) User buys sim. 2) User waits for licence and sim to be emailed to them 3) User installs sim 4) User installs licence 5) User plays. An easier solution, also one that could be automated much easier and would work similar to Steam (http://www.steampowered.com) would be: 1) User buys the sim, which generates a server-side licence linked to their username. 2) User installs sim, which is downloaded when bought. 3) User logs into sim with SimSig username/password. At first run, the licence would be checked and stored in cache (requiring internet). Secondary runs would only need to look in the cache (not requiring internet). (Formerly known as manadude2) Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 12:01 #38650 | |
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Peter Bennet
5402 posts |
" said:The system seems far too complex - you don't need an external licensing program.It is supposed to be an automated process, it just broke slightly and it's the wee small hours in California. So as I say just bear with us. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Ginger |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 12:01 #38651 | |
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northroad
872 posts |
Both sound the same to me. Had I been at home instead of at work and Geoff and Peter not encountered a few teething problems with it all the whole process from payment to up and running would have taken no more than 5 minutes. I think they have done a Stirling job  with it all and everyone involved is to be given one all mighty cheer.Thank you Geoff. Last edited: 04/12/2012 at 12:50 by northroad Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 12:15 #38653 | |
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Ray
211 posts |
Well I have paid by Paypal and I got an email confirming my order. I have downloaded the license software stuff. I clicked on the order number link which refers me to a log in page in SimSig site. But I can't log on at this point and the license page remains blank. Not sure what happens now.
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| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 12:36 #38654 | |
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Fatman
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What does this movement mean for those who use the existing versions? I enjoy a game of C. Scot and occasionally Edinburgh on the previous free releases - will I still be able to play these sims, albeit an out of date version, without charge? I can understand charging for the sim - the vast amount of time and development that goes in and all - but I do think the prices are too high in light of what I personally get from a sim, and my current financial situation (pretty poor). Also a quick well done for the update of the 4 sims - A shame that, for the moment at least, I will not be able to partake in them. Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 12:38 #38655 | |
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Peter Bennet
5402 posts |
" said:Well I have paid by Paypal and I got an email confirming my order. I have downloaded the license software stuff. I clicked on the order number link which refers me to a log in page in SimSig site. But I can't log on at this point and the license page remains blank. Not sure what happens now.I understand that this is where the automatic process has broken and you need to wait till Geoff gets up in the morning and/or I have finished my tea - both occur at about the same time - then we need to manually intervene to get you sorted. I can only appologise but it's how I originally thought it'd have to work anyway. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 12:38 #38656 | |
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Sam Tugwell
494 posts |
northroad said:Stirling jobI see what you did there! 
"Signalman Exeter" Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 12:41 #38657 | |
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Peter Bennet
5402 posts |
" said:What does this movement mean for those who use the existing versions? I enjoy a game of C. Scot and occasionally Edinburgh on the previous free releases - will I still be able to play these sims, albeit an out of date version, without charge?Existing Edinburgh and CSCOT remain playable as they are. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Last edited: 04/12/2012 at 13:34 by Peter Bennet Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Fatman, MrSuttonmann |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 13:02 #38659 | |
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MrSuttonmann
265 posts |
It also concerns me where our money is going. If 50 people buy your GBP 30 package, that's GPB 1,500. I know from running my own server that it doesn't take that much money to run a server. It would be a nice amount of money, but I'm going on holiday next year for about the same sort of money. Also it's not donation-ware anymore, but rather Retail software. That's a whole different ballgame. I really hope, for SimSig's sake, that this has all been thought out properly. While I do respect your decision, you're reluctant to tell us the reasoning behind it. Forgive me, but it does seem a very strange move from the SimSig team. (Formerly known as manadude2) Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 13:38 #38660 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:It also concerns me where our money is going. If 50 people buy your GBP 30 package, that's GPB 1,500. I know from running my own server that it doesn't take that much money to run a server. It would be a nice amount of money, but I'm going on holiday next year for about the same sort of money.Thank you for sharing your concerns which are noted. You are of course correct that these Sims are not "Donation-ware". Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 13:47 #38661 | |
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jc92
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" said:What does this movement mean for those who use the existing versions? I enjoy a game of C. Scot and occasionally Edinburgh on the previous free releases - will I still be able to play these sims, albeit an out of date version, without charge?I think you are too used to SimSig being "free" donationware. whilst my wallet is giving me an evil stare as it knows what is coming, take a look at what else is available. Simsig is IMO the most accurate realistic signalling sim on the market. If SimSig had been established yesterday with no previous history and charged the mentioned prices, I doubt anyone would complain at the expense. Also i imagine you are not alone fatman, and people will continue to host Cscot/Ed in its free incarnation. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 13:47 #38662 | |
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MrSuttonmann
265 posts |
You say they are noted, but you are not answering any of my concerns, which I find rather unprofessional and worrying. I am of course correct that they are not donation-ware. (Formerly known as manadude2) Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 14:21 #38666 | |
flymo
135 posts |
I honestly cannot remember if I donated to any of the Scottish Sims but what the heck, even if I did I just bought them all for the £30. I was way overdue for another donation anyway..... :P Look forward to receiving them all in due course. Thanks all. Log in to reply |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 14:25 #38667 | |
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clive
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" said:It also concerns me where our money is going. If 50 people buy your GBP 30 package, that's GPB 1,500. I know from running my own server that it doesn't take that much money to run a server.The majority of the money goes to the sim developer, who may have his own costs and may be passing some of it on to others. A proportion goes to the core code development team, and the server is funded out of that. This is the same thing as happens with donations. Quote: The decision between paid and donation is done on a per-simulation basis. The fact that one developer has chosen to start charging for a simulation does not mean that there will be no more free ones. I'll go further than that: when I release the sim I am now working on [1], I will not be making it paid. The next refresh of each of my existing sims will also be donation-ware. I'm not saying that I'll never start charging for a sim, but Cambridge, Royston, Peterborough, Drain, Euston, WembleySub, and project Q [2] won't be charged for while I'm responsible for them. [1] It'll be ready when it's ready. [2] The "Q" is *not* a clue. Trust me. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: MrSuttonmann |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 14:28 #38668 | |
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clive
2789 posts |
" said:You say they are noted, but you are not answering any of my concernsThe only concern you've expressed that I can see is that the likely income is more than the cost of running a server. So what? Even if that was the only cost in developing a sim (hah!), why are you begrudging Peter some comeback for his efforts? Log in to reply The following users said thank you: andyb0607, northroad, Sam Tugwell, Noisynoel, TimTamToe, NCC1701 |
| SimSig Scotland 04/12/2012 at 14:33 #38670 | |
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MrSuttonmann
265 posts |
Thank you Clive for clarifying. It is nice when administrators are open to users about happens 'behind-the-scenes', if you will, and it is certainly not difficult for them to do so. Now my mind is at ease, I will consider buying the software when my bank balance does so allow me. I am a little bemused about having to pay for a refreshed sim, when the original was free in the first place. Thanks again Clive. (Formerly known as manadude2) Log in to reply |