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Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 05:25 #61193 | |
uboat
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Since XP and the new system files are not getting along I will have to change or update my operating system. I tried Simsig under 2 different live versions of Linux and both locked up the computer. So my question is which operating software is best? Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 05:43 #61194 | |
GeoffM
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XP is officially obsolete according to MS. Technically SimSig is not supported under Linux but we do try our best. There has been a thread or two about updating a particular flavour or two of Linux to support certain features of SimSig but it's not like we have anything particularly special in SimSig that would thwart a Windows version of Linux if written correctly. By that I mean a version of Linux that supported anything normal that MS Windows would do, which is not an easy task when the latter is not fully public. Best if somnebody says "I use SimSig on Wine XYZ" without any (major) issues. SimSig Boss Last edited: 01/06/2014 at 05:44 by GeoffM Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 06:49 #61195 | |
AG
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I do use it on wine 1.7.18, and the only issue is that the right click menu in the train list appears, but doesn't react to clicks - only to the underlined keyboard shortcuts. I did have to install a number of packages via winetricks (can't recall which at the moment), and use a 32-bit wine root (i.e. WINEARCH=win32) however.
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Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 08:46 #61196 | |
BarryM
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" said:Since XP and the new system files are not getting along I will have to changeI run Simsig on XP (SP3) without any problems. The new system files work fine when setup correctly. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 08:54 #61197 | |
delticfan
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I run Simsig on Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit with no problems. Mal. ![]() Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 09:15 #61198 | |
GW43125
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I have an XP SP3 virtual machine under Windows 7 x64. It will quite happily run brighton.sim (The only one I've tried on it) under loader V4.0.21 (It has no WiFi). Hope this helps, DSW. Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 09:34 #61199 | |
postal
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" said:" said:No problems on my XP SP3 legacy system either.Since XP and the new system files are not getting along I will have to changeI run Simsig on XP (SP3) without any problems. The new system files work fine when setup correctly. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 14:22 #61215 | |
Muzer
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Running wine 1.7.11 right now, working fine except for the trainlist issues as previously mentioned. To get the trainlist to work at all, it is necessary to install Internet Explorer (you can use the script winetricks, available from the wine wiki, to do this easily - eg winetricks ie8)
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Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 17:18 #61225 | |
MarkC
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I run Windows XP with SP3 and have the latest loader files (v4.0.31) I have not experienced any problems The only real difference with the end of life for XP is that MS no longer provide updates for it, it is still a main stream OS, (the same happened with win 9x support ended for that but it was still usable for many years afterwards, its only because main stream software and hardware manufactures stopped creating drivers and software for it did it die) Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 17:55 #61226 | |
Muzer
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However, it does mean that security flaws in XP will go uncorrected. It's safely usable if you don't connect it to the internet and you also don't run untrusted software, of course, but aside from this special case, don't continue to use XP in the medium/long term. Sooner or later someone will find a flaw that can be exploited and you will get some horrible virus/malware of some description that uses your computer for illegal purposes/steals your data/holds your data to ransom/something else/all of the above.
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Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 18:07 #61227 | |
postal
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" said:However, it does mean that security flaws in XP will go uncorrected. It's safely usable if you don't connect it to the internet and you also don't run untrusted software, of course, but aside from this special case, don't continue to use XP in the medium/long term. Sooner or later someone will find a flaw that can be exploited and you will get some horrible virus/malware of some description that uses your computer for illegal purposes/steals your data/holds your data to ransom/something else/all of the above.Like the computer experts told us the world was going to die on 01/01/2000? How much of that sort of frightener goes back to Microsoft and the manufacturers wanting us to buy new computers (particularly as I understand that Microsoft are getting major grief from the manufacturers because the market for desktops/laptops has collapsed following the techie-led revolution that is Windows 8). “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 18:22 #61228 | |
GW43125
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Unless you have no WiFi, like me!
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Linux vs Windows 01/06/2014 at 19:04 #61229 | |
Sacro
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" said:Like the computer experts told us the world was going to die on 01/01/2000? And it might well have happened had it not been for people spending time checking systems and fixing things so that it didn't. Now we've only got the big issue of 2038 which has already shown up with 30 year mortgages and such. " said: How much of that sort of frightener goes back to Microsoft and the manufacturers wanting us to buy new computers (particularly as I understand that Microsoft are getting major grief from the manufacturers because the market for desktops/laptops has collapsed following the techie-led revolution that is Windows 8).You could say the same about the switch from unleaded petrol, or from incandescent light bulbs, at the end of the day, Windows XP will no longer get security patches, nor will people bring out new hardware or software designed to work with it. If the hardware is fine, then Linux will probably keep it going for a good many years, and be faster / more secure. Unsure what you mean by 'techie-led', given that Microsoft is a company, not a single person. Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 02/06/2014 at 04:22 #61236 | |
BarryM
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" said:However, it does mean that security flaws in XP will go uncorrected. It's safely usable if you don't connect it to the internet and you also don't run untrusted software, of course, but aside from this special case, don't continue to use XP in the medium/long term. Sooner or later someone will find a flaw that can be exploited and you will get some horrible virus/malware of some description that uses your computer for illegal purposes/steals your data/holds your data to ransom/something else/all of the above.There are a number of Anti-virus/Malware software available still supporting XP (SP3). Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 02/06/2014 at 09:23 #61241 | |
Sacro
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" said:True, but when the base OS has security holes, you're still completely vulnerable Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 02/06/2014 at 18:46 #61251 | |
Lardybiker
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Sacro is right. Microsoft ceasing support does not mean XP will suddenly stop working...Far from it, in fact. However, what it does mean is that as time goes on, it will be become more and more vulnerable to security issues as security flaws will not fixed. Malware applications, firewalls and anti-virus software won't be able to offer any help or security for these types of issues (use of malware and anti-virus software in this situation is like locking the front door but leaving a window undone). The year 2000 problem was a genuine issue. As Sacro said, there was a lot of work done to make sure the impact was as small as possible. It wasn't just PC's either as all sorts of equipment was affected. I know this first hand as I had to deal with testing the electronic equipment the company I worked for at the time was producing and making sure it would continue to work correctly after 01/01/2000 and fixing it if I found any problems. Even despite the work that was done, some systems were still affected. However, it would have been much, much worse if no-one had done anything. Bottom line: There is nothing stopping you continuing to use XP and if you remain offline from the internet then there is no problem at all. However, if you do continue to use your XP machine on-line, regardless of what security software the machine may have, then you will become more and more vulnerable to potential security issues as time goes on. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Sacro |
Linux vs Windows 02/06/2014 at 19:26 #61254 | |
arabianights
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I use SimSig under Linux (presently mostly Ubuntu 14.04 desktop) and it has been fine with one exception recently which I won't bore anyone with because it was a problem with WINE. Basically, there's no reason to not use it using Linux. That said, as it doesn't seem to have been mentioned here, there is no reason in principle that you couldn't run your copy* of Windows XP in a virtual PC on Linux (I would recommend virtualbox in this case). Then you are guaranteed compatibility so long as Simsig supports Win XP, while being more or less immune (or close to it) to any nasties that that OS suffers (look up taking snapshots etc). *By which I mean your licence, not an image of your current system... although you could do that too! Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 02/06/2014 at 21:22 #61263 | |
arabianights
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Linux vs Windows 02/06/2014 at 21:34 #61265 | |
Danny252
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" said:That said, as it doesn't seem to have been mentioned here, there is no reason in principle that you couldn't run your copy* of Windows XP in a virtual PC on LinuxHow well does the average laptop/computer handle a virtual copy of something as big as XP? I know that it's certainly going to be slower than your proper OS, but quite how much slower I haven't a clue! (By "big", I mean resource-heavy in comparison to something like Win 95/98 or a lightweight Linux distro - although XP is still a lot lighter than the later versions of Windows) Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 03/06/2014 at 15:00 #61279 | |
Lardybiker
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I have a Windows 7 desktop at work with an XP VM which i use for softawre development and while XP is slower than if it was running natively, it's certainly usable. I've also used XP in a VM running under Ubuntu. Again, certainly usable. Probably more telling though is my personal Windows 7 laptop. It has a 4-core i7 processor and an ATI 3D graphics card (I use it for playing games as I don't have a desktop) but more importantly, it has an XP VM that I specifically setup for all my SimSig development (well, I used to up until about 3 months ago). It runs SimSig without a hitch and you would hardly know it was a VM. At the end of the day though, it depends on the hardware it's running on and the efficiency of the virtualization being used. If your machine supports Virtual Machine extensions then that definitely helps (you may need to check it's enabled in your machines BIOS). Last edited: 03/06/2014 at 15:04 by Lardybiker Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 04/06/2014 at 22:48 #61314 | |
slatteryc
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In addition, disk IO rates help tremendously, especially if you have an SSD
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Linux vs Windows 05/06/2014 at 06:53 #61317 | |
Hawk777
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Note, the comments about system performance for running a VM are all true, but if you want to run under Linux and are willing to do the bit of work necessary to get WINE going, then it will run things much faster than a VM, particularly on slow computers, because there’s no second operating system running (just a fairly thin layer emulating the interfaces that Windows programs use), and everything is running directly on the CPU (unlike a VM on a CPU without virtualization extensions, where some parts of the VM code do not run directly on the CPU).
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Linux vs Windows 06/06/2014 at 18:01 #61398 | |
Muzer
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I think I'm right in thinking that most CPUs have virtualisation extensions nowadays.
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Linux vs Windows 06/06/2014 at 20:11 #61406 | |
Sacro
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" said:I think I'm right in thinking that most CPUs have virtualisation extensions nowadays.Hmm, as far as I'm aware all AMD ones do, it used to be Intel had some that did and some that didn't, that might not be the case these days. Log in to reply |
Linux vs Windows 06/06/2014 at 22:04 #61409 | |
arabianights
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" said:" said:I'm not sure what you mean by "average" but anything reasonably modern will run XP better (for the purposes of things like SimSig; this does not apply to something wanting low level hardware access [yes, hypothetical invisible pedants, I know this is not accurate, but it is the easiest way to explain it and think of itThat said, as it doesn't seem to have been mentioned here, there is no reason in principle that you couldn't run your copy* of Windows XP in a virtual PC on LinuxHow well does the average laptop/computer handle a virtual copy of something as big as XP? I know that it's certainly going to be slower than your proper OS, but quite how much slower I haven't a clue! ![]() Ironically the main performance problems are running REALLY old stuff like windows 3.1 where it's quite a job to stop it using 100% CPU (unless you artificially throttle it) due to cooperative multitasking etc. As others have said, any reasonably modern CPUs are well set up for virtualisation. Log in to reply |