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Derby 2009 TT 04/04/2015 at 13:44 #70751
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5A74 is booked to use Way and Works Sdgs (reverse behind DY424 on the Up Main).
The train in question will need to be manually reversed at this location as of a fo-par on my part. This will get updated in the very near future.

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Derby 2009 TT 04/04/2015 at 23:30 #70778
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How do you manually reverse whilst train is moving? I used the shunt route and
the train went to Spondon where it was reversed.

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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 08:08 #70782
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Use the F2 menu
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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 17:50 #70808
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regarding the 2009 timetable, the Majority of Meridian and HST ECS from Derby to Etches Park runs via Chad Curve, then uses the entrance marked Shed 4 to Enter the complex not the Entrance Marked Etches Park. the fact it uses the Shed 4 entrance is the very reason it uses Chad Curve rather than entering directly via London Rd. Junction.
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6E35 which is booked to stop at Melbourne Jct but in doing so needs to overhang the junction so perhaps Sunnyhill would be a more appropriate choice?

That's where the train is booked to stand and the length is prototypical so it's down to the signaller to regulate accordingly.
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Trains from Kingsbury bound for Burton West Yard are missing a reverse location at DY172 leaving them sitting on the up goods at DY181 without reversing.

Ammened

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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 17:51 #70809
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Noel, 6E26/H76275 and 6E29/H76276 need to be mutually exclusive.

Done

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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 17:52 #70810
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Same with 6M62/H74520 and 6M62/H74519

Done

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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 17:52 #70811
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the text file with this timetable reads it is for Victoria Eastern.

Sorry, excessive use of copy & paste! Now amended.

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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 17:55 #70812
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Sorry for the double post, but just found at 04:29:49 sim time, I recieved a message stating "6M99 passed Kingsbury JN 6 min(s) early" All seems normal, then the next message "6M99 has entered the area (Clay Cross North JN (Up Main))." What's happened here? I removed the second 6M99 this time.

Hmm, the train appears to have been duplicated, still done now.

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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 18:12 #70813
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Noel: 6M62 appears twice with no rules to stop one or the other appearing, Sometimes you get one, at other times you get two.

Done, cheers Welshiiiiii

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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 18:13 #70814
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2A11 and 2P13 stop at Derby Platform 3A when they Should be Stopping at 3B so that once 2A11 departs, 1V03 can run into 3A, reverse and then head back out towards New Street. Think this should just be a case of changing the stopping positions.

These trains show 3B in the timetable already

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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 18:23 #70815
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And I have a similar situation with three 6M49s, all with 'unique' ID H75507.

There were three 6M49's but all with different UID's

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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 19:20 #70817
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Just had a look at the RHTT train 3J88's timetable and it's due to have a trip up the Matlock branch from 12.56 to 13.37. Alas that clashes with the regular branch passenger service (2A34/2A43), which would appear to meet it somewhere between Matlock Bath & Cromford on those timings! :yikes Only way to make it work would be to lock it in at Matlock until 2A43 gets back to Ambergate, but I don't think the auxiliary token machine is represented in the sim.....
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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 19:23 #70818
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You can enter a train at Peak Rail according to the location list in the TT editor so it may be possible to lock a train in there, but I doubt NR would do that.

With the frequency of the branch trains during the day its difficult to see how the RHTT could squeeze in.

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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 19:33 #70819
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This is actually as per the real timings and something the signaller would have had to deal with, however, I suspect it vary rarely became an issue as the RHTT's never run as per timings, either really early or horribly late
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Derby 2009 TT 05/04/2015 at 20:54 #70820
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You can enter a train at Peak Rail according to the location list in the TT editor so it may be possible to lock a train in there, but I doubt NR would do that.

With the frequency of the branch trains during the day its difficult to see how the RHTT could squeeze in.
Matlock (peak rail) is in reality a long Run round loop with facility to lock trains in, but it's only really used by Engineers workings (and for railtours onto PR metals of course).

Pathing wise, weekdays and Saturdays the branch only has paths for both Service trains every hour.

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Derby 2009 TT 06/04/2015 at 09:32 #70829
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This is actually as per the real timings and something the signaller would have had to deal with, however, I suspect it vary rarely became an issue as the RHTT's never run as per timings, either really early or horribly late
The ones down here always run to time, or at least in their own path.

May be worth checking if they actually ever ran - can't see a passenger train being delayed for the RHTT.

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Derby 2009 TT 12/04/2015 at 22:11 #71020
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I've spotted another duplicate- 1Q25 has appeared at the same time as 1Z16, which is impossible as they're both the NMT.
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Derby 2009 TT 12/04/2015 at 22:26 #71021
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The second part of 6F08 (that enters at Sinfin) appears even though the first part didn't run.
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Derby 2009 TT 13/04/2015 at 20:32 #71038
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You can enter a train at Peak Rail according to the location list in the TT editor so it may be possible to lock a train in there, but I doubt NR would do that.

With the frequency of the branch trains during the day its difficult to see how the RHTT could squeeze in.
Matlock (peak rail) is in reality a long Run round loop with facility to lock trains in, but it's only really used by Engineers workings (and for railtours onto PR metals of course).

Pathing wise, weekdays and Saturdays the branch only has paths for both Service trains every hour.
Bearing in mind the above, I have chosen the 'lock in at Peak Rail' option for the RHTT. Given that the original train is conditional in a rule, how can I ensure that the second train will reenter at Peak Rail conditional upon the first half having run that day?

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Derby 2009 TT 13/04/2015 at 20:40 #71039
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You can enter a train at Peak Rail according to the location list in the TT editor so it may be possible to lock a train in there, but I doubt NR would do that.

With the frequency of the branch trains during the day its difficult to see how the RHTT could squeeze in.
Matlock (peak rail) is in reality a long Run round loop with facility to lock trains in, but it's only really used by Engineers workings (and for railtours onto PR metals of course).

Pathing wise, weekdays and Saturdays the branch only has paths for both Service trains every hour.
Bearing in mind the above, I have chosen the 'lock in at Peak Rail' option for the RHTT. Given that the original train is conditional in a rule, how can I ensure that the second train will reenter at Peak Rail conditional upon the first half having run that day?
add the rule train (2nd train) must enter 0 mins after train (1st train) has left the area.

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Derby 2009 TT 13/04/2015 at 20:44 #71040
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Have a rule "Train B must enter xx mins after Train A has left the sim", then if A doesn't run B won't, or if A runs the rule will ensure a suitable minimum dwell. {assuming it's an entry/exit, other wise use B mustn't depart until x after A arrives}
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Derby 2009 TT 15/04/2015 at 01:00 #71100
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Have a rule "Train B must enter xx mins after Train A has left the sim", then if A doesn't run B won't, or if A runs the rule will ensure a suitable minimum dwell. {assuming it's an entry/exit, other wise use B mustn't depart until x after A arrives}
I used 'B mustn't depart until x after A arrives' and it didn't work.

'Train B must enter xx mins after Train A has left the sim' works

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Derby 2009 TT 15/04/2015 at 01:21 #71101
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Just to say, what a fabulous sim and thank you very much to all who have written, tested and otherwise contributed. Given all that work, it seems on one level somewhat disingenuous to point out errata in the TT, but I guess you would rather have that feedback to facilitate corrections. But I'm not complaining in any way - honest!


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I'm having problems getting 0X77 to join with 5X77?
I just had that same issue. In my scenario, OX77 was overhanging and so I wonder whether technically it hadn't arrived at the joining location. In F2, both were showing the other was in front, but at different locations. To resolve this I tried shunting 5X77 but this isn't possible without power, so I ended up having to take extreme measures! Halving the length of 5X77 seemed to create enough room for the join to happen, but would be good to know if there's a better solution!
Correct, its not arriving. Train is also far too short for what it is described as. Have already logged that one as a bug earlier today on Mantis, Mantis 12810.

I'm having the same issue with 5X78/0X78 loco run round.

The first reversal location on 0X78 needs to be amended to Derby S.M.J REV (473), otherwise, the loco doesn't go far enough to get behind 473 signal to reverse back over the Up Goods. Then, having run round, 0X78 will not recouple to the other end of 5X78, which is overhanging the junction and 5X78 is in any case, showing as 27 metres long, while surely a pair of translators and a 5 car 378 should come out at just over 140 metres?

Thanks,

FJ

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Derby 2009 TT 20/04/2015 at 20:53 #71278
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Any plan for 5D78? Central Rivers won't accept the XC version as it thinks it's the EMT unit.
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Derby 2009 TT 21/04/2015 at 01:15 #71285
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Keep pestering CR until they do accept it. Once previous incoming working has cleared the entry track circuit, they may still take a few minutes with internal shunting/tea brewing but if you ring them enough times, you will get an acceptance eventually, albeit belatedly. Etches Park tend to be much more responsive.
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