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| Delayed trains not operating TRTS 24/07/2020 at 10:30 #129931 | |
Hap
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ajax103 in post 129930 said:GeoffM in post 129922 said:Any more Gen on this? Have you seen it from within a box or within the station, Did the TRTS button light up when it was pressed, did a signal clear after it was pressed?ajax103 in post 129920 said:Kings Cross doesn't though, it may be the exception though.Just one small point to also make which I'm sure you already know but the TRTS doesn't need the track circuit to be occupied when pressed. Personally I think it shouldn't be possible but I have seen it first hand.That entirely depends on the interlocking. Most do these days. How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Log in to reply |
| Delayed trains not operating TRTS 24/07/2020 at 10:39 #129933 | |
Late Turn
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On the requirement for TRTS to be given - is this actually specified as an absolute requirement anywhere? If I've had a problem at a station where TRTS is operated by the station staff, I usually phone the signalman directly when I'm ready to go, having come to a clear understanding with the station staff and guard first. I've never had a problem with that approach and I've certainly never had a signalman demand that someone go and press the button instead! At smaller stations where we're self-dispatched (by the guard) but with TRTS provided, we normally just phone up or press 'SG' to get the road when we're ECS (DOO). As others have said, it's also the case that signalmen will sometimes pull off without waiting for TRTS, if there's no other movements that'd be delayed if the train didn't depart as planned. On at least one occasion (admittedly early in the morning), I've driven into the car park at work and seen that the signal's already been cleared for my train! Log in to reply |
| Delayed trains not operating TRTS 24/07/2020 at 11:43 #129935 | |
Splodge
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At Piccadilly, the use of RA is mandated in the sectional appendix with only light locos and MPVs excluded - TRTS effectively becomes mandated as well as the dispatcher will operate both TRTS the RA; if we were to use SG with no dispatcher present we would be unable to depart and be tying up a route.
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| Delayed trains not operating TRTS 24/07/2020 at 11:50 #129936 | |
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Hap
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Late Turn in post 129933 said:On the requirement for TRTS to be given - is this actually specified as an absolute requirement anywhere? If I've had a problem at a station where TRTS is operated by the station staff, I usually phone the signalman directly when I'm ready to go, having come to a clear understanding with the station staff and guard first. I've never had a problem with that approach and I've certainly never had a signalman demand that someone go and press the button instead! At smaller stations where we're self-dispatched (by the guard) but with TRTS provided, we normally just phone up or press 'SG' to get the road when we're ECS (DOO).In our operations manual it is. It states who is responsible for operating it at each location whether it's Dispatch staff, Conductor or Driver. Plenty of traincrew notices also stating when it should pressed and who presses it etc, especially when it comes to ARS. Once PTI (Platform Train Interface) became a massive thing, there's been strict procedures when trains are dispatched. Must be someone on the platform to watch it go to ensure pax don't go near the train etc. Again, other TOCs may have different procedures. How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Log in to reply |
| Delayed trains not operating TRTS 24/07/2020 at 12:06 #129938 | |
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rodney30
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When I worked for Souhtern Railway on the platforms at London Bridge in 2008/09 and Chichester, Barnham, Bognor Regis, Littlehampton and Worthing. It was different at each station. At London Bridge we had to TRTS all trains (as it was a terminal) except sandite/de-icer and test trains 2 minutes before departure time on trains going to New Cross Gate and 1 min for trains going to Peckham Rye all depending on if the train crew were ready. When Thamelink were running into the Central side over night, 9 out of 10 times the signaller used to set the route out before the incoming train had come to a stand. At Bognor Regis and Littlehampton we used to comunicate with the signalbox via radio because the signaller used to hate the TRTS sound in the box. At Worthing we only used the TRTS to let the signaller at Lancing know when the Littlehampton portion was ready (after splitting from the Portsmouth train from London Victoria on a sunday). At Chichester we rarley had any communication with the signaller except if the problems. At Barnham even though TRTS was provided on all platforms we told not to use them except when a train was being held for connections.
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| Delayed trains not operating TRTS 24/07/2020 at 18:22 #129947 | |
ajax103
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Hap in post 129931 said:ajax103 in post 129930 said:Let me message you about it.GeoffM in post 129922 said:Any more Gen on this? Have you seen it from within a box or within the station, Did the TRTS button light up when it was pressed, did a signal clear after it was pressed?ajax103 in post 129920 said:Kings Cross doesn't though, it may be the exception though.Just one small point to also make which I'm sure you already know but the TRTS doesn't need the track circuit to be occupied when pressed. Personally I think it shouldn't be possible but I have seen it first hand.That entirely depends on the interlocking. Most do these days. Log in to reply |
| Delayed trains not operating TRTS 24/07/2020 at 18:58 #129948 | |
Meld
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ajax103 in post 129947 said:TBH this has been a public discussion all along, We all know Hap and where he works, he's managed to keep it suitable for everyone, its a little unfair to everyone thats been involved, at this stage of any discussion to start sending private messages. Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Dick |
| Delayed trains not operating TRTS 24/07/2020 at 21:28 #129949 | |
Peter Bennet
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Meld in post 129948 said:ajax103 in post 129947 said:If Ajax that does not want to discuss in public what he knows, presumably based on his job, that seems fair enough.TBH this has been a public discussion all along, Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Delayed trains not operating TRTS 24/07/2020 at 21:51 #129950 | |
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Meld
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Peter Bennet in post 129949 said:Meld in post 129948 said:He could have posted without naming names to keep it anonymous hence my comment. After all its been a open friendly discussion, people don't like seeing things going hidden, Ajax was in my eyes wrong to post he was pmming Hap.ajax103 in post 129947 said:If Ajax that does not want to discuss in public what he knows, presumably based on his job, that seems fair enough.TBH this has been a public discussion all along, Passed the age to be doing 'Spoon Feeding' !!! Last edited: 24/07/2020 at 21:55 by Meld Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Delayed trains not operating TRTS 19/08/2020 at 11:18 #130859 | |
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francisoldfield
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Hi Can I just add to the original post that half of my trains are not TRTS just showing as waiting for NSxxx to show proceed. I have no delays at the moment and delays are not switched on! Many thanks Francis Log in to reply |