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Duplicate UID permission to enter call

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Duplicate UID permission to enter call 10/12/2021 at 17:58 #142860
Dionysusnu
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Trains will not enter if a train with that UID is already in the simulation. However, this does not delay the "permission to enter" calls from shunters, meaning permission is granted and the train then does not enter. This is confusing, the call should only be made if the train is actually ready and will enter.
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Duplicate UID permission to enter call 10/12/2021 at 18:05 #142862
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Do you perhaps have an example of this? Simulation, Timetable, provide a .SSG rather than a .WTT? Was it a user based TT or one that was provided with the simulation?
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Duplicate UID permission to enter call 10/12/2021 at 19:06 #142863
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Took me just 1 minute to reproduce..
The first TEST calls, enters, and goes happily on its way. Shortly after, another call is made, for the second TEST. You can grant permission, but it will never enter unless the first TEST is removed or exits the simulation.

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Duplicate UID permission to enter call 10/12/2021 at 19:07 #142864
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Give me a bit, and I'll test if this also happens when the two entry points are not the same - which is a realistic possibility for a freight that loads/unloads at a terminal.
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Duplicate UID permission to enter call 10/12/2021 at 19:10 #142865
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Dionysusnu in post 142863 said:
Took me just 1 minute to reproduce..
The first TEST calls, enters, and goes happily on its way. Shortly after, another call is made, for the second TEST. You can grant permission, but it will never enter unless the first TEST is removed or exits the simulation.
That's not necessarily compatible with various situations though where the shunter DOES in real life call you for permission to do a movement before the train has arrived on it's in bound working, or first portion of it's working. Especially common at through yards for example. On that basis I don't think we need to look at any changes.

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Duplicate UID permission to enter call 10/12/2021 at 19:11 #142866
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Dionysusnu in post 142864 said:
Give me a bit, and I'll test if this also happens when the two entry points are not the same - which is a realistic possibility for a freight that loads/unloads at a terminal.

Indeed, same issue even if the entry points are different.
As said, this is a realistic possibility if a train were to travel through a terminal, like in this case Bounds Green Depot.

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Duplicate UID permission to enter call 10/12/2021 at 19:16 #142867
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headshot119 in post 142865 said:
Dionysusnu in post 142863 said:
Took me just 1 minute to reproduce..
The first TEST calls, enters, and goes happily on its way. Shortly after, another call is made, for the second TEST. You can grant permission, but it will never enter unless the first TEST is removed or exits the simulation.
That's not necessarily compatible with various situations though where the shunter DOES in real life call you for permission to do a movement before the train has arrived on it's in bound working, or first portion of it's working. Especially common at through yards for example. On that basis I don't think we need to look at any changes.

With all due respect, I don't think that basis makes sense, in the aim of consistency. All permission to enter calls are one minute in advance, and the train always enters after that. Is it consistent if in an edge case, it will instead take an undefined amount of time, possibly up to an hour?

Removing that strict 1 minute sounds like a great plan. But then why only for this one edge case?

Last edited: 10/12/2021 at 19:17 by Dionysusnu
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