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Timetable Testing Assistance 23/07/2023 at 14:29 #152427
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1192 posts 		As I'm due to have my Operation tomorrow [24/07] I'll be out of action for all of August which means I won't the time of testing timetables I have created. I have placed this here as temporary until I get back. Timetables are Carlisle and Manchester Piccadilly based in June 2023. These are both 24hr timetables which will have another seed time added at a later time.

During testing, please take note of platform clashes, Unit Uncoupling/Coupling, timing issues etc. These I would prefer to be noted down in Notepad and uploaded in a reply post or you can post directly below. Please mention which timetable you are referring to. Once I'm recovered I will go through every bit of feedback, make any changes and hopefully they will be released.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 23/07/2023 at 16:26 #152429
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6377 posts 		Best wishes for the operation.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 25/07/2023 at 12:38 #152438
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1192 posts 		A little update, my operation was success and now to rest my right arm/hand for 3-6 weeks. I'll be in the background but typing and using the mouse is tricky haha.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 25/07/2023 at 13:31 #152439
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5265 posts 		Time to learn a new skill, then. Swap the buttons on your mouse and learn to use your left hand - then you'll see how awkward the rest of the world makes things for us left-handers!

Glad the op went well.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 25/07/2023 at 14:12 #152440
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1418 posts 		postal in post 152439 said:
Time to learn a new skill, then. Swap the buttons on your mouse and learn to use your left hand - then you'll see how awkward the rest of the world makes things for us left-handers!

Glad the op went well.
John,
I'm right handed but, because the others at work when the first computers arrived were left handed, I have always used a mouse/ball left handed - but with the buttons normal !
Mouse left - type (mostly) right makes sense to me especially using the number pad.

AAron, hope the recovery goes as well as the op. Don't push it.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 25/07/2023 at 14:26 #152441
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3690 posts 		Is there a left handed mouse? I've always used a right handed mouse in my left hand when working left handed (I'm a leftie but can work either way with keyboard and mouse)
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Timetable Testing Assistance 25/07/2023 at 15:12 #152442
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5265 posts 		jc92 in post 152441 said:
Is there a left handed mouse? I've always used a right handed mouse in my left hand when working left handed (I'm a leftie but can work either way with keyboard and mouse)
With a conventional mouse you just swap the buttons. Because the world is built for right-handers I have got used to working with a right-handed trackball. However, I also have a left-handed trackball in case I injure my right arm or hand. I had to use it for a while a few months ago as statins were giving me a lot of muscle pain in my right arm. It is sold by Elecom (a Japanese company) but as ever can be obtained from Amazon (https://www.amazon.co.uk/ELECOM-Left-handed-Wireless-function-M-XT4DRBK-Black/dp/B016QCPRBM.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 25/07/2023 at 15:17 #152443
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1775 posts 		jc92 in post 152441 said:
Is there a left handed mouse? I've always used a right handed mouse in my left hand when working left handed (I'm a leftie but can work either way with keyboard and mouse)
In Windows I can select "Settings", go to the Mouse option and change the buttons from right-handed to left-handed working.

You may also be able to do that if you use Windows. Not sure about other operating systems though.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 25/07/2023 at 15:48 #152444
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1192 posts 		I'm left handed for using a pen ect, but right handed for everything else. Use me mouse on the right hand and both on keyboard. Easier on the laptop in my humble opinion which I'm using at the moment.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 25/07/2023 at 16:30 #152445
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1418 posts 		bugsy in post 152443 said:
jc92 in post 152441 said:
Is there a left handed mouse? I've always used a right handed mouse in my left hand when working left handed (I'm a leftie but can work either way with keyboard and mouse)
In Windows I can select "Settings", go to the Mouse option and change the buttons from right-handed to left-handed working.

Some mice, notably the original Microsoft one, were distinctly 'handed' in shape, and had unequal button sizes. Probably why I do not reverse the buttons even if I am used to the 'wrong' ergonomics.

The track ball I am using at present is truly symmetrical (Kensington)
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Timetable Testing Assistance 26/07/2023 at 10:34 #152449
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29 posts 		postal in post 152442 said:
jc92 in post 152441 said:
Is there a left handed mouse? I've always used a right handed mouse in my left hand when working left handed (I'm a leftie but can work either way with keyboard and mouse)
With a conventional mouse you just swap the buttons. Because the world is built for right-handers I have got used to working with a right-handed trackball. However, I also have a left-handed trackball in case I injure my right arm or hand. I had to use it for a while a few months ago as statins were giving me a lot of muscle pain in my right arm. It is sold by Elecom (a Japanese company) but as ever can be obtained from Amazon (https://www.amazon.co.uk/ELECOM-Left-handed-Wireless-function-M-XT4DRBK-Black/dp/B016QCPRBM.

I am a leftie aswell, I have got used to using my right hand for my mouse but i do everything else left handed
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Timetable Testing Assistance 27/07/2023 at 15:06 #152465
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1842 posts 		Carlisle PSB 2023
0M89R03100 incorrect consist/length 109m
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Timetable Testing Assistance 28/07/2023 at 14:12 #152484
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1842 posts 		5Z43 routing

5Z43 route Carlisle > Petteril Br rev 402 [sic] > Upperby > Carlisle is not workable as unable to reach 402/404, would need to rev in Petteril Br Sdgs 1-6 (and service maybe).

Otherwise needs to go Carlisle > Upperby > Petteril Br rev 404 > Carlisle eg:-
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Timetable Testing Assistance 28/07/2023 at 14:26 #152485
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1192 posts 		AndyG in post 152484 said:
5Z43 routing

5Z43 route Carlisle > Petteril Br rev 402 [sic] > Upperby > Carlisle is not workable as unable to reach 402/404, would need to rev in Petteril Br Sdgs 1-6 (and service maybe).

Otherwise needs to go Carlisle > Upperby > Petteril Br rev 404 > Carlisle eg:-

Thanks Andy, will look at getting 5Z43 re rerouted as suggested. I don't think Petteril Br Sdgs 1-6 are in use anymore.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 29/07/2023 at 19:37 #152507
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308 posts 		Manchester Picc.

1P06 When TRTS out of Picc P1 ARS tries to send it further along the EL towards the GL rather then up on to the SL.

5B66 has no information on origin or destination.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 29/07/2023 at 20:09 #152509
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1192 posts 		i26 in post 152507 said:
Manchester Picc.

1P06 When TRTS out of Picc P1 ARS tries to send it further along the EL towards the GL rather then up on to the SL.

5B66 has no information on origin or destination.

5B66 is Ardwick TMD to Liverpool Lime Street which I will add and will look at 1P06 routing.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 29/07/2023 at 20:20 #152510
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308 posts 		HST125Scorton in post 152509 said:
i26 in post 152507 said:
Manchester Picc.

1P06 When TRTS out of Picc P1 ARS tries to send it further along the EL towards the GL rather then up on to the SL.

5B66 has no information on origin or destination.

5B66 is Ardwick TMD to Liverpool Lime Street which I will add and will look at 1P06 routing.
5B66 Didn't come out from Ardwick via Sig 317??

Also 1B59 Goes FL to Slade Lane and then up towards the Airport. ARS Has incorrectly set the route.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 29/07/2023 at 20:28 #152511
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1192 posts 		i26 in post 152510 said:
HST125Scorton in post 152509 said:
i26 in post 152507 said:
Manchester Picc.

1P06 When TRTS out of Picc P1 ARS tries to send it further along the EL towards the GL rather then up on to the SL.

5B66 has no information on origin or destination.

5B66 is Ardwick TMD to Liverpool Lime Street which I will add and will look at 1P06 routing.
5B66 Didn't come out from Ardwick via Sig 317??

Also 1B59 Goes FL to Slade Lane and then up towards the Airport. ARS Has incorrectly set the route.

1B59 noted. 5B66 goes out of Ardwick towards Ashburys before going via Man Vic to Lime Street normally. Will take a look at its timetable.
http://charlwoodhouse.co.uk/rail/livetrain/G67428/29/06/23
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Timetable Testing Assistance 29/07/2023 at 20:33 #152513
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308 posts 		HST125Scorton in post 152511 said:
i26 in post 152510 said:
HST125Scorton in post 152509 said:
i26 in post 152507 said:
Manchester Picc.

1P06 When TRTS out of Picc P1 ARS tries to send it further along the EL towards the GL rather then up on to the SL.

5B66 has no information on origin or destination.

5B66 is Ardwick TMD to Liverpool Lime Street which I will add and will look at 1P06 routing.
5B66 Didn't come out from Ardwick via Sig 317??

Also 1B59 Goes FL to Slade Lane and then up towards the Airport. ARS Has incorrectly set the route.

1B59 noted. 5B66 goes out of Ardwick towards Ashburys before going via Man Vic to Lime Street normally. Will take a look at its timetable.
http://charlwoodhouse.co.uk/rail/livetrain/G67428/29/06/23
Amazing. Just to let you know there's a platform clash for P9 at 0520. 5U23 goes in to the platform to form 1U23 0535 Departure. 5P54 then enters Ardwick and wants P9 for a 0550 Departure.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 30/07/2023 at 12:07 #152515
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308 posts 		5P61 Has multiple platform clashes. Wants Manchester Picc P14 from 0657 - 0710 whilst 1P63, 1N53 and potentially others want to use the platform at the same time.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 30/07/2023 at 12:21 #152516
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1192 posts 		i26 in post 152515 said:
5P61 Has multiple platform clashes. Wants Manchester Picc P14 from 0657 - 0710 whilst 1P63, 1N53 and potentially others want to use the platform at the same time.
All above issues all fixed, 5P61 I have now fixed should of used plat 8 for them times then to Mayfield before Picc P14 at 0740.
http://charlwoodhouse.co.uk/rail/livetrain/$31476980/28/06/23
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Timetable Testing Assistance 30/07/2023 at 14:52 #152518
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Online 		The 5J** services from Piccadilly to Newton Heath via Ashburys need to route via Ashburys Arr/Dep, there is no route to Phillips Park from the Up East/Up Main
There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 30/07/2023 at 15:37 #152519
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1192 posts 		Splodge in post 152518 said:
The 5J** services from Piccadilly to Newton Heath via Ashburys need to route via Ashburys Arr/Dep, there is no route to Phillips Park from the Up East/Up Main
Thank you, will sort these out.
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Timetable Testing Assistance 30/07/2023 at 17:04 #152521
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1184 posts 		Hi,

Looking at the consists based on a TT dump, I have made the following notes:
- The Sprinter types have very short join/detach dwell times, not long enough to do a proper brake test.
- The Sprinter types also have no Terminate Forward or terminate Reverse dwell times set, so a late runner would be TRTS as soon as it arrives.
- Would the Scots Guardsman use primary or secondary linespeed? It's been set to "Use Freight linespeed".
- Were 1S01 and 1M04 really dusty bins not 325's?
- Should the 325's have "Use freight linespeed"?
- Most of the freight has medium braking capability, rather than low?
- Class 158 3-car - should this be 69m not 70m, as all other types are multiples of 23m?

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Timetable Testing Assistance 30/07/2023 at 17:19 #152522
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Online 		Northern diagram allowances are 5 minutes to attach or detach. The reality is things are faster, especially detaching. We don't have a requirement to do a full brake test though, just a continuity check when joining.

And at Piccadilly our dispatchers will bell us out pretty much immediately if they know the crew are there to take the train back out.

I'd imagine 1S01 and 1M04 are the Varamis Rail Mossend-Birmingham International services? In which case they are indeed 321s.
There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway.
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