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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 06/03/2025 at 19:01 #160362
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This thread is for discussion of the 2019 timetable for Hope Valley.
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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 07/03/2025 at 09:58 #160383
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Am I correct that this timetable does not chain to the 2019 timetable of Manchester East? The first train from Bredburry towards Earls Sdg, 0H11 or H30570S is unknown to the timetable of Hope Valley.
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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 07/03/2025 at 10:36 #160384
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For the time being yes, they will not chain, Updates to surrounding timetables will follow as and when they are completed and tested.

The decisions and stock corrections used here need to be applied along the entire chain not just the adjacent sims, So we are not just looking at Man East, Cheshire lines, Stockport and Sheffield, 12 timetables in total with the 2009/15 as well, then we have to work through the adjacent sims to these 4 as well, its a rolling snowball. I'm not looking forward to Doncaster as this was a complete pain and took months to get right in the first place.

These updates have to be made while working around other exciting indev products which obviously take priority.

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 07/03/2025 at 10:49 #160386
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Ok, no problem. It was just a question, not critique :).
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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 07/03/2025 at 11:29 #160388
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broodje in post 160386 said:
Ok, no problem. It was just a question, not critique :).
I didnt see it as critique, just thought a slightly fuller explanation would help others understand the process.

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 09/03/2025 at 22:18 #160442
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Seem to be having an issue with T02A/BCCT02A. It enters from the Cement Works to first couple to WAG2 in Run Round 2. That part is successful but then it refuses to move. The train status shows "Stopped (dep 00:00)". Have tried manually altering the dep time, abandoning TT and resuming either at same location or the next (ES Run Round Pts A).



OS: Windows 10 Home 64bit
Loader: SimSig Loader version 5.34; Sim: Simulation Hope Valley; data version 1.0
License: Dynamic license in use
TT: Hope Valley 2019-01-09 SX v1.2.0
TT filename: Hope Valley 2019-01-09 SX.WTT
TT merged: False
Sim upgrade: False
Loader upgrade: False
Save reloaded: True
NABON active at start
NBLOCK active at start
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NCROSSINGS active at start
NEXTRA_AUTOS_ENABLED active at start
NEXTRA_AUTOS active at start
NPROBLEMS active at start
NLOW active at start
NNORMAL active at start
N_SCENARIO_HAZELGROVE_POINTS choice 1
N_SCENARIO_HAZELGROVE_PLATFORM choice 2
N_SCENARIO_HAZELGROVE_SIDING choice 3
When T02A is status "Stopped (dep 00:00)" you can ask it to shunt forward and it gets up to around 3mph before showing stopped at ES Run Round, brief stop and ready to continue as TT'd.

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 6F70 10/03/2025 at 10:57 #160446
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6F70 0956 from Tunstead is booked to stand at Hazel Grove High Level Junction from 1032 to 1052 rather than stopping in the Down Cheadle Loop it stops at HG25 and blocks the following 1B71.
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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 10/03/2025 at 19:24 #160464
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RyanGerrard in post 160442 said:
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Hi.

Seem to be having an issue with T02A/BCCT02A. It enters from the Cement Works to first couple to WAG2 in Run Round 2. That part is successful but then it refuses to move. The train status shows "Stopped (dep 00:00)". Have tried manually altering the dep time, abandoning TT and resuming either at same location or the next (ES Run Round Pts A).



OS: Windows 10 Home 64bit
Loader: SimSig Loader version 5.34; Sim: Simulation Hope Valley; data version 1.0
License: Dynamic license in use
TT: Hope Valley 2019-01-09 SX v1.2.0
TT filename: Hope Valley 2019-01-09 SX.WTT
TT merged: False
Sim upgrade: False
Loader upgrade: False
Save reloaded: True
NABON active at start
NBLOCK active at start
NTORROFF active at start
NLXON active at start
NCROSSINGS active at start
NEXTRA_AUTOS_ENABLED active at start
NEXTRA_AUTOS active at start
NPROBLEMS active at start
NLOW active at start
NNORMAL active at start
N_SCENARIO_HAZELGROVE_POINTS choice 1
N_SCENARIO_HAZELGROVE_PLATFORM choice 2
N_SCENARIO_HAZELGROVE_SIDING choice 3
When T02A is status "Stopped (dep 00:00)" you can ask it to shunt forward and it gets up to around 3mph before showing stopped at ES Run Round, brief stop and ready to continue as TT'd.
I had the same problem. Check the direction of T02A in the F2 Train list. If it shows Up, reverse its direction. After reversing, it will move a bit, and stop at ES Run Round again, but then it will depart in a few minutes.

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 11/03/2025 at 11:20 #160471
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I'm enjoying this 2019 timetable it's been a pleasure with minimal delays, even the little one of mine enjoyed watching. Although I have a question, I never seem to have got a train enter from Hope Cement Works. One rang in around 00:40hrs but never came onto the sim. I'm sat at 09:00hrs at present with nothing from or to the cement works. I'll presume there could be issues with rules as mentioned elsewhere.
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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 6F70 11/03/2025 at 21:03 #160484
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geswedey in post 160446 said:
6F70 0956 from Tunstead is booked to stand at Hazel Grove High Level Junction from 1032 to 1052 rather than stopping in the Down Cheadle Loop it stops at HG25 and blocks the following 1B71.
I've logged it as Mantis 41969 against the sim for now, but could also be reassigned against the TT when I speak to the TT developer

James

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 11/03/2025 at 21:05 #160485
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HST125Scorton in post 160471 said:
I'm enjoying this 2019 timetable it's been a pleasure with minimal delays, even the little one of mine enjoyed watching. Although I have a question, I never seem to have got a train enter from Hope Cement Works. One rang in around 00:40hrs but never came onto the sim. I'm sat at 09:00hrs at present with nothing from or to the cement works. I'll presume there could be issues with rules as mentioned elsewhere.
Do you have a save game to go with this so it can be investigated?

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 11/03/2025 at 21:21 #160486
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Sorry totally forgot; then forgot I didn't save there I was either trouble with a 9 week old baby. Anyway saves from 0110hrs and 0440hrs.

Update:
One has decided to show this time, save at 0445hrs.

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 11/03/2025 at 21:56 #160487
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HST125Scorton in post 160486 said:
Sorry totally forgot; then forgot I didn't save there I was either trouble with a 9 week old baby. Anyway saves from 0110hrs and 0440hrs.

Update:
One has decided to show this time, save at 0445hrs.
I've just run the 01:10 save for a bit. I did eventually have a train enter from the cement works, which was for the shunts for 6M93. I suspect its possible that the other trains haven't had rules or decisions met

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 13/03/2025 at 17:45 #160514
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I think I spotted a possible explanation for why sometimes WAG1 and WAG2 remain in the RR sidings at Earles Sidings without the loco taking them into the cement works.
6M88 can run as H44587 (from Dagenham Down Yard) or H44588 (from Theale Lafarge FHH). The cement loco, T04A will run if either H44587 or H44588 runs.
But T04A has a rule to enter 1 minute after H44588 arrives at Earles Sidings SB. So if H44587 runs, the loco won't enter.
It could be the same with 6M08/6M45 and T10A because the entry rule specifies only 6M08 and not 6M45.

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 14/03/2025 at 18:39 #160528
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Zecs in post 160514 said:
I think I spotted a possible explanation for why sometimes WAG1 and WAG2 remain in the RR sidings at Earles Sidings without the loco taking them into the cement works.
6M88 can run as H44587 (from Dagenham Down Yard) or H44588 (from Theale Lafarge FHH). The cement loco, T04A will run if either H44587 or H44588 runs.
But T04A has a rule to enter 1 minute after H44588 arrives at Earles Sidings SB. So if H44587 runs, the loco won't enter.
It could be the same with 6M08/6M45 and T10A because the entry rule specifies only 6M08 and not 6M45.
Good spot there are a couple of changes to rules I have made for the next version. I will add a Mantis number when able.

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Edit: Mantis 41975 and Mantis 41976

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 18/03/2025 at 20:22 #160599
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Both 0M62 to Earles Sidings and 6M03 to Tunstead both entered from the Sheffield direction. Both trains are running exactly the same timetable unsure if the decision didn't work?
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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 18/03/2025 at 20:29 #160600
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HST125Scorton in post 160599 said:
Both 0M62 to Earles Sidings and 6M03 to Tunstead both entered from the Sheffield direction. Both trains are running exactly the same timetable unsure if the decision didn't work?
Thanks for this 0M62 needs to be in a different decision group. Mantis 41998.

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 20/03/2025 at 14:06 #160623
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Zecs in post 160464 said:
RyanGerrard in post 160442 said:
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Hi.

Seem to be having an issue with T02A/BCCT02A. It enters from the Cement Works to first couple to WAG2 in Run Round 2. That part is successful but then it refuses to move. The train status shows "Stopped (dep 00:00)". Have tried manually altering the dep time, abandoning TT and resuming either at same location or the next (ES Run Round Pts A).



OS: Windows 10 Home 64bit
Loader: SimSig Loader version 5.34; Sim: Simulation Hope Valley; data version 1.0
License: Dynamic license in use
TT: Hope Valley 2019-01-09 SX v1.2.0
TT filename: Hope Valley 2019-01-09 SX.WTT
TT merged: False
Sim upgrade: False
Loader upgrade: False
Save reloaded: True
NABON active at start
NBLOCK active at start
NTORROFF active at start
NLXON active at start
NCROSSINGS active at start
NEXTRA_AUTOS_ENABLED active at start
NEXTRA_AUTOS active at start
NPROBLEMS active at start
NLOW active at start
NNORMAL active at start
N_SCENARIO_HAZELGROVE_POINTS choice 1
N_SCENARIO_HAZELGROVE_PLATFORM choice 2
N_SCENARIO_HAZELGROVE_SIDING choice 3
When T02A is status "Stopped (dep 00:00)" you can ask it to shunt forward and it gets up to around 3mph before showing stopped at ES Run Round, brief stop and ready to continue as TT'd.
I had the same problem. Check the direction of T02A in the F2 Train list. If it shows Up, reverse its direction. After reversing, it will move a bit, and stop at ES Run Round again, but then it will depart in a few minutes.
Is this something which can be fixed long term?

Also, can I suggest the detachments of the wagons are set to occur at the far end of the lines? I believe I had an occasion where the wagons were preventing points A to be swung, stopping the job.

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 20/03/2025 at 14:13 #160624
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peterb in post 160623 said:
Zecs in post 160464 said:
[quote=RyanGerrard;post=160442]

I had the same problem. Check the direction of T02A in the F2 Train list. If it shows Up, reverse its direction. After reversing, it will move a bit, and stop at ES Run Round again, but then it will depart in a few minutes.
Is this something which can be fixed long term?

Also, can I suggest the detachments of the wagons are set to occur at the far end of the lines? I believe I had an occasion where the wagons were preventing points A to be swung, stopping the job.
Also, when this happens on a joining train, the whole train overhangs the whole set of points. On this occasion I reversed the train into the DGL but I have also had it where the route is set towards the works for the reversal and, because it was not fully in the loop, the train has run off into the works afterwards when it was destined for the mainline!

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 20/03/2025 at 16:01 #160627
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peterb in post 160624 said:
peterb in post 160623 said:
Zecs in post 160464 said:
[quote=RyanGerrard;post=160442]

I had the same problem. Check the direction of T02A in the F2 Train list. If it shows Up, reverse its direction. After reversing, it will move a bit, and stop at ES Run Round again, but then it will depart in a few minutes.
Is this something which can be fixed long term?

Also, can I suggest the detachments of the wagons are set to occur at the far end of the lines? I believe I had an occasion where the wagons were preventing points A to be swung, stopping the job.
Also, when this happens on a joining train, the whole train overhangs the whole set of points. On this occasion I reversed the train into the DGL but I have also had it where the route is set towards the works for the reversal and, because it was not fully in the loop, the train has run off into the works afterwards when it was destined for the mainline!
When routing the ES shunts, you should shunt engine to WAG 2, then signal back out towards the cement works and not the DGL. You will then be able to throw the points and the train will propel onto WAG1, tie up and it will move into the works when it's ready to go without any further interference. For wagons coming out of the Cement Works, all the BC** trains are 169m, plenty of space to get into the Run Round and then into ES. Remember that the pilot is on the front coming out of the Works and propels into Earles Sidings. The COAL ones are 150m.

Craig

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 24/03/2025 at 12:45 #160678
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Just finished this cracking timetable and well done to all involved!. Came out with 1 wrong route and a score of 98%.

Could train 6M91 / H31104 have a note applied to it to say it needs ES8 to Shunt Neck off to allow the train to fully into the DGL?.
Also shouldn't all the light engines enter from Tunstead Reception instead of the Quarry lines? I've always seen LEs come off Recp thank Quarry Lines.

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 27/03/2025 at 21:15 #160719
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RyanGerrard in post 160442 said:

When T02A is status "Stopped (dep 00:00)" you can ask it to shunt forward and it gets up to around 3mph before showing stopped at ES Run Round, brief stop and ready to continue as TT'd.
Zecs in post 160464 said:


I had the same problem. Check the direction of T02A in the F2 Train list. If it shows Up, reverse its direction. After reversing, it will move a bit, and stop at ES Run Round again, but then it will depart in a few minutes.
peterb in post 160623 said:

Is this something which can be fixed long term?

Also, can I suggest the detachments of the wagons are set to occur at the far end of the lines? I believe I had an occasion where the wagons were preventing points A to be swung, stopping the job.
We have been looking into this and we believe that we have identified the cause. A fix for something else has caused this behaviour and we intend to get a fix out very soon to rectify it.

Edit: Loader update should now be available - version 5.35.

Cheers

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 28/03/2025 at 12:31 #160726
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HST125Scorton in post 160678 said:
Just finished this cracking timetable and well done to all involved!. Came out with 1 wrong route and a score of 98%.

Could train 6M91 / H31104 have a note applied to it to say it needs ES8 to Shunt Neck off to allow the train to fully into the DGL?.
Also shouldn't all the light engines enter from Tunstead Reception instead of the Quarry lines? I've always seen LEs come off Recp thank Quarry Lines.
Good Afternoon,

Looking at this I have logged Mantis 42039 for 6M91 and Mantis 42040 for the light engines at Tunstead.

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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 29/03/2025 at 07:29 #160744
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I started a run of this timetable with a 4am start (seeded) and ran into an immediate issue. 6L75 enters from RMC, I run it into the long sidings... where instead of deatching the loco 0L75 as the timetable states...it just sits there and phones in about the signal being red.


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Hope Valley SX 2019-01-09 29/03/2025 at 07:38 #160745
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TylerE in post 160744 said:
I started a run of this timetable with a 4am start (seeded) and ran into an immediate issue. 6L75 enters from RMC, I run it into the long sidings... where instead of deatching the loco 0L75 as the timetable states...it just sits there and phones in about the signal being red.

Have you tried setting the B end "S2" hand signal to off? The loco should then detach.

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